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 Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: Re: Food Crisis in Mexico: A US Policy Disaster That Bodes I |
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 5, 12:22 pm, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:29:26 -0700, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
Armed intervention by American citizens will be required if Uncle
Suckemoff continues pussified border enfocement failure by
Washington,DC.
Border enforcement is unnecessary, unreliable and a huge drain on tax
resources. All that's needed is to start locking up the employers for
a few years. The jobs will dry up, the influx will stop. And the
people who brought you the problem will be the ones punished.
Maybe - but maybe the beans will just go on welfare or take up crime.
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You Do realize that your parents are of FINE MEXICAN desent....don't you? |
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: Re: MEXICAN ANCHOR BABY SPEAKS HIS MIND ABOUT WHITES, BLACKS |
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On Sep 5, 10:34 pm, jimj122...@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | This loser anchor baby represents the typical thinking of all Mexican
anchor babies:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMV6C6AQ54
Think about how much of our tax money has gone to support this leech:
- his illegal alien mother spit him out in a U.S. hospital and the
hospital bill cost at least $10,000 (courtesy of U.S. taxpayers)
- then his illegal alien mother got her local Mexican consulate to
apply for food stamps and welfare on her anchor babies son's behalf
(thousands more, courtesy of U.S. taxpayers)
- K-12 education at a cost of about $9,000/year
And this is the thanks we get. Note the Mexican flag wrapped around
his neck. Note how he calls whites "racists" and then ends the video
with "Brown Pride!".
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A great and violent racial conflict will end multiculturalism. History
proves that it
will happen. The sooner the better!
ted
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Klaus Schadenfreude
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: MEXICAN ANCHOR BABY SPEAKS HIS MIND ABOUT WHITES, BLACKS |
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In talk.politics.guns hpope@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | A great and violent racial conflict will end multiculturalism. History
proves that it
will happen. The sooner the better!
ted
http://www.stormfront.org/ Stormfront
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Never happen.
All you guys do is sit around and sniff glue. You can barely hold onto
jobs, much less plan a "conflict."
Face it, your daughters will marry Mexicans and have many babies.
There's nothing you can do about it.
Salsa already outsells ketchup. |
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Stormin Mormon
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: MEXICAN ANCHOR BABY SPEAKS HIS MIND ABOUT WHITES, BLACKS |
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Water rolls down hill. People migrate towards money. Remember, the people
who put the money at the bottom of the hill: U.S. Congress.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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| Quote: | This loser anchor baby represents the typical thinking of all Mexican
anchor babies:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMV6C6AQ54
Think about how much of our tax money has gone to support this leech:
- his illegal alien mother spit him out in a U.S. hospital and the
hospital bill cost at least $10,000 (courtesy of U.S. taxpayers)
- then his illegal alien mother got her local Mexican consulate to
apply for food stamps and welfare on her anchor babies son's behalf
(thousands more, courtesy of U.S. taxpayers)
- K-12 education at a cost of about $9,000/year
And this is the thanks we get. Note the Mexican flag wrapped around
his neck. Note how he calls whites "racists" and then ends the video
with "Brown Pride!". |
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Ed Huesers
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| Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: Re: more people! |
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Eugene Miya wrote:
| Quote: | Ed Huesers wrote:
It's been a busy summer in the hills. Going up Longs tomorrow via
route I haven't done before. 2:00am start, so taking it easy today.
D-7 free right!?!
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Actually, The Loft route. Here I am celibrating on top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZTT2aTq4-c
| Quote: | For some reason Anthony Quinn comes to mind, Barrabus and Savage
Innocence. "He had a soft head".
"Brains! Look brains!" --I think that was Matt Dillon's character in Platoon.
I think he used the butt of a shot gun to open the guy up.
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No brains in "Savage Innocence", you might consider watching it.
| Quote: | I got the net.pb a PB shirt.
Oh?
Cute Blue. Very popular in AK. PB on the last of an ice floe, and
"Global Warming Sucks." That's quite amusing in Prudhoe Bay where a lot
of denyers are (image google "Prudhoe Bay National Forest") and
they sell the shirt from Deadhorse to Los Anchorage (cheaper by maybe $4-5).
I'll leave the price tag on and you can decide if you want to reimburse
or not.
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Trust.
| Quote: | Are you saying that your ancestors were repressed, too?
Ain't we all, eh?
Canadian. Profound. Maybe.
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Anyone. Starts when they won't let ya crap in your pants anymore. A
tender age.
| Quote: | Remember MP and the Holy Grail.
You have to see the violence inherent in the system!
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I've seen enough to know that only one bad apple in the barrel.
Ed Huesers
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Eugene Miya
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| Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: Re: more people! |
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In article <48c726a6$0$89384$815e3792@news.qwest.net>,
Ed Huesers <ed@grandshelters.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It's been a busy summer in the hills. Going up Longs
D-7 free right!?!
Actually, The Loft route. Here I am celibrating on top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZTT2aTq4-c
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Use an accordion, go to jail.
Where id you get the pizza?
| Quote: | For some reason Anthony Quinn comes to mind, Barrabus and Savage
Innocence. "He had a soft head".
"Brains! Look brains!"
No brains in "Savage Innocence", you might consider watching it.
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Hey we are all savages.
The problem is time. This week, all evenings are taken up. I'm just
waiting to head up to SF this evening.
| Quote: | I got the net.pb a PB shirt.
Oh?
Cute Blue. Very popular in AK. PB on the last of an ice floe, and
"Global Warming Sucks." That's quite amusing in Prudhoe Bay where a lot
of denyers are
Trust.
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On belay?
| Quote: | Are you saying that your ancestors were repressed, too?
Ain't we all, eh?
Canadian. Profound. Maybe.
Anyone. Starts when they won't let ya crap in your pants anymore. A
tender age.
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Can create a mess.
Just wait, when you get old enough, you will appreciate Depends.
Life comes full circle. When you have IV lines and chest tubes, you
don't just go to the bathroom.
| Quote: | Remember MP and the Holy Grail.
You have to see the violence inherent in the system!
I've seen enough to know that only one bad apple in the barrel.
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Holy hand grenade of Antioch: count to 3.
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John Doe
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! US Environmentalists GUILTY of Caring More |
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Day Brown <daybrown daybrown.org> wrote:
| Quote: | The only immigrants we need are the H-1b, who have been ranted
against. But every engineer who comes here creates 5 more jobs of
ordinary folks- secretaries, janitors, shipping clerks, lab techs.
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Every engineer educated and trained here produces much more than
that.
| Quote: | Instead, we kept them out, so they formed startups in Bangalore or
wherever, creating the jobs there, and the competition for
American innovation.
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That's the same old often repeated hogwash that exists only in a
vacuum. Non-democracies don't give a damn about innovation, all they
want is access to our markets. Access to our consumers so they can
rake in the money, and access to our jobs so they can send the money
home. If our leaders of democracies band together and trade amongst
ourselves, other countries will follow our lead or eat dirt. In a
time not so long ago, we proved that already. Now too many of our
leaders are grasping at the New World Order, they are power-hungry
and have forgotten about leading by example.
| Quote: | But we are where we are, and as middle class incomes decline,
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Thanks in part to giving high-tech jobs to H-1B visa holders instead
of educating and hiring our own or at least others from civilized
democratic countries.
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Day Brown
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! US Environmentalists GUILTY of Caring More |
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John Doe wrote:
| Quote: | Day Brown <daybrown daybrown.org> wrote:
The only immigrants we need are the H-1b, who have been ranted
against. But every engineer who comes here creates 5 more jobs of
ordinary folks- secretaries, janitors, shipping clerks, lab techs.
Every engineer educated and trained here produces much more than
that.
Instead, we kept them out, so they formed startups in Bangalore or
wherever, creating the jobs there, and the competition for
American innovation.
That's the same old often repeated hogwash that exists only in a
vacuum. Non-democracies don't give a damn about innovation, all they
want is access to our markets. Access to our consumers so they can
rake in the money, and access to our jobs so they can send the money
home. If our leaders of democracies band together and trade amongst
ourselves, other countries will follow our lead or eat dirt. In a
time not so long ago, we proved that already. Now too many of our
leaders are grasping at the New World Order, they are power-hungry
and have forgotten about leading by example.
But we are where we are, and as middle class incomes decline,
Thanks in part to giving high-tech jobs to H-1B visa holders instead
of educating and hiring our own or at least others from civilized
democratic countries.
You dont need democracy. Any H-1b or similarly trained professional can |
vote with an airline ticket. Singapore is a family business, and it is
doing damn well in part because it does not waste social energy on
religious demagogues or political idealists.
The religious fundamentalism of the American government drives those
with creative minds to look for systems that are less hindered with
bullschitt, and who dont want their kids wasting time learning about
Creationism.
We've seen this before, in the world's first great transnational free
market, the Silk Road. Most of its cities, most of the time, operated
beyond the hegemony of the Chinese, Roman, Persian, & Byzantine empires.
Competent men could, and did, vote with their feet, and the governments
of these cities knew it.
The pre-eminent city, Kucha, had the shrines for 22 religions, and did a
thriving business translating sacred texts and other documents among
Chinese and Aryan languages. The cultural freedom promoted innovation,
and the people there got filthy rich. They exported astrologers,
magicians, mathemeticians and even military officers to China, and
imported Chinese merchants and scholars.
It was the diversity of the well educated professionals, and not the
camel drivers that stimulated their economy. |
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John Doe
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: THIS JUST IN! US Environmentalists GUILTY of Caring More |
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Day Brown <daybrown daybrown.org> wrote:
| Quote: | John Doe wrote:
Day Brown <daybrown daybrown.org> wrote:
The only immigrants we need are the H-1b, who have been ranted
against. But every engineer who comes here creates 5 more jobs
of ordinary folks- secretaries, janitors, shipping clerks, lab
techs.
Every engineer educated and trained here produces much more than
that.
Instead, we kept them out, so they formed startups in Bangalore
or wherever, creating the jobs there, and the competition for
American innovation.
That's the same old often repeated hogwash that exists only in a
vacuum. Non-democracies don't give a damn about innovation, all
they want is access to our markets. Access to our consumers so
they can rake in the money, and access to our jobs so they can
send the money home. If our leaders of democracies band together
and trade amongst ourselves, other countries will follow our lead
or eat dirt. In a time not so long ago, we proved that already.
Now too many of our leaders are grasping at the New World Order,
they are power-hungry and have forgotten about leading by
example.
But we are where we are, and as middle class incomes decline,
Thanks in part to giving high-tech jobs to H-1B visa holders
instead of educating and hiring our own or at least others from
civilized democratic countries.
You dont need democracy.
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Speak for yourself.
| Quote: | Any H-1b or similarly trained professional can vote with an
airline ticket.
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And go back to their filthy communist country where they will be
paid peanuts for doing exactly as their government dictates.
| Quote: | Singapore is a family business,
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I get it... you're a troll with a big ego who thinks he's going to
coin phrases here on USENET. Either that, or when you see a message
on the Internet "Fong Wong Due, based in Singapore, is a family
business" you do not pay close enough attention to the sentence
structure.
| Quote: | and it is doing damn well in part because it does not waste social
energy on religious demagogues or political idealists.
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That's the first time I've heard anyone use religion in an argument
for H-1B visas. So your argument for H-1B visas (and probably 98% of
your other arguments) is out of your own anti-religious zealotry.
| Quote: | It was the diversity of the well educated professionals, and not
the camel drivers that stimulated their economy.
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Bullshit.
It's access to thriving democratic markets that stimulate their
economy.
The H-1B visa proponent screams "Surrender our jobs to them or they
will take them from us!" They obviously lack hindsight.
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: How Many People Equal Too Many in America? -- Life Less |
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 06:46:06 GMT, jazzerciser@hotmail.com (-) wrote:
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http://neighbors.denverpost.com/blog.php/2008/09/19/how-many-people-equal-too-many-in-america-life-less-plesant/
September 19, 2008
Connecting the Dots
Immigration, Green, Issues, Boulder, Denver
How Many People Equal Too Many in America? -- Life Less Plesant
Posted by thunderhorse
By Frosty Wooldridge
www.frostywooldridge.com
Exclusive to the Denver Post
Paul Ehrlich wrote “The Population Bomb” in 1968 when the United States housed
200 million people. At the time, the planet supported 3.7 billion. In 1990,
Ehrlich wrote “The Population Explosion” when America featured 280 million.
At that point, the humans grew to nearly six billion, and today, accelerate
past 6.7 billion on their way to 9.2 billion in 40 years.
In the past 40 years, the USA added 100 million people, primarily via
immigrants fleeing overpopulated countries around the world. At current
immigration rates, another 100 million manifest in the America within 30
years. Immigration forces the United States into the third fastest growing
nation outside China and India.
In Dr. Otis Graham’s “Unguarded Gates: A History of America’s Immigration
Crisis”, he writes, “Most Western elites continue urging the wealthy West not
to stem the migrant tide, but to absorb our global brothers and sisters until
their horrid ordeal has been endured and shared by all–ten billion humans
packed onto an ecologically devastated planet.”
At the time of Ehrlich’s first book: “More than half the world’s people were
malnourished,” said writer Charles Mann, “How many is too many?”
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/93feb/mann1.htm “Nobel laureates were
telling Congress that unless population growth stopped, a new Dark Age.”
Another book, “Famine 1975!” presented sobering food shortages in the Third
World. A group of MIT researchers issued “The Limits to Growth” saying
civilization faced collapse by 2070 or sooner. With current world starvation
rates exceeding 18 million annually, (Source: World Health Organization)),
and food shortages and riots in Asia, humanity faces some rough sledding in
the coming years.
“Over time, the debate has spread between two poles,” Mann said. “On one
side, according to the late Garrett Hardin, an ecologist at the University of
California at Santa Barbara, are the Cassandras, who believe that continued
population growth at the current rate will inevitably lead to catastrophe. On
the other are the Pollyannas, who believe that humanity faces problems but has
a good shot at coming out okay in the end. Cassandras, who tend to be
biologists, look at each new birth as the arrival on the planet of another
hungry mouth. Pollyannas, who tend to be economists, point out that along with
each new mouth comes a pair of hands.”
Biologists hit dead center. They see what Malthus claimed in 1798 when he
said that humans multiply faster than food can be grown: “The power of
population is so superior to the power of earth to produce subsistence for
humanity that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human
race.”
“True, Pollyannas concede,” Mann said. “If present-day trends continue for
centuries, the earth will turn into a massive ball of human flesh.”
“Much of the world is better fed than it was in 1950,” concedes Lester R.
Brown, the president of the Worldwatch Institute, an environmental-research
group in Washington, D.C. “But that period of improvement is ending rather
abruptly. My sense is that we’re going to be in trouble on the food front
before this decade is out.”
The National Academy of Sciences said in 1992, “That continued population
growth will lead to a global environmental catastrophe that “science and
technology may not be able to prevent.”
“The bad news is that since the late 1960s, 1.9 billion more people have
arrived on the planet than have left,” Mann said. “Even if future rates of
fertility are the lowest in history, as is likely, the children of today’s
children, and their children’s children, will keep replacing themselves, and
the population will increase vastly. Nothing will stop that increase, not even
AIDS. Pessimists estimate that by the end of the decade another 100 million
people will be infected by HIV. Almost ten times that number will have been
born. Barring unprecedented catastrophe, the year 2100 will see 10 to 12
billion people on the planet.”
For a sobering reality check, Africa expects to grow from 767 million to 1.4
billion in 40 years.
Few places in America illustrate overpopulation better than Los Angeles,
California. To expose that state’s horrific future, it grows by 1,600 people
daily. (Source; www.capsweb.org) Another 400 cars add to their already
gridlocked highways EVERY DAY! You can live and you can die in traffic. At
44,000 deaths annually on our nation’s highways, it’s a toss-up whether or not
you make it home in LA each week. Legal and illegal immigration drives most
of California’s growth. Fogel/Martin “U.S. Population Projections” predict
California’s growth to rise from 37.5 million to a low trend of 65.6 million
and as high as 79.1 million in 40 years. Like cattle down the slaughter
chute, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Boston and Denver follow
California into the demographic “Human Katrina” maelstrom.
”We’re trying to sustain physical growth on a finite planet,” Dennis L.
Meadows said, who helped produce “Limits to Growth”. ”Growth will stop in our
lifetime through ecological breakdown.”
“We suffer a worldwide epidemic,” said Anne Ehrlich, a research associate at
Stanford University, a veteran Cassandra, and the wife of Paul Ehrlich.
As Lester Brown reports, “Erosion steals 24 billion tons of soil from the
world’s farmers annually; a figure that the ecology-minded cite as plain
evidence that humanity is exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet.”
”Nobody ever dies of overpopulation,” Garret Hardin lamented.
They die of famine, pestilence, contaminated water and war. Wow! That’s
comforting! Hardin introduced the Tragedy of the Commons. In short, if you
introduce two horses into a two acre fenced paddock (finite area, like a
finite earth), and a water tank—both horses can eat their fill, poop and pee
with unlimited personal safety. However, if you run 100 horses into that two
acre paddock, they overwhelm the water tank, eat all the grass as well as
trample it, create terrible waste problems and crowd themselves into angry
confrontations with nowhere to escape. Voila! Tragedy of the Commons!
Charles Mann said, “As the human presence increasingly dominates the earth,
new difficulties emerge at ever greater speed: The ozone layer. The exhaustion
of fisheries. The greenhouse effect. The overuse of aquifers. The need to
increase yields of tropical foodstuffs. Each must be evaluated, absorbed,
treated, even as the next problem appears. The loss of biodiversity. The
collapse of the infrastructure. The destruction of rain forests. And on and
on.”
“Can you think of any problem in any area of human endeavor on any scale, from
microscopic to global, whose long-term solution is in any demonstrable way
aided, assisted, or advanced by further increases of population, locally,
nationally, or globally.” Professor Dr. Albert Bartlett, Colorado University
As citizens of this American civilization, we must ask ourselves if we expect
our future generations to endure China’s horrific demographic legacy. Our
children would most certainly answer: no dad and mom! We desire a viable,
sustainable and enjoyable life experience on a healthy planet with a stable
human population. What are you doing to further that reality?
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To take action: www.numbersusa.com ; www.thesocialcontract.com ;
www.fairus.org ; www.Capsweb.org ; www.vdare.org ; www.proenglish.org ;
www.alipac.us ; www.firecoalition.com ; www.patriotunion.org
Become a member of “Frosty’s Press Agent Corps” whereby you volunteer a few
hours to send out emails to top TV and radio hosts to offer top speakers on
America’s overpopulation crisis driven by unending immigration. Email
frostyw@juno.com and receive two informational letters showing you exactly
what to do.
Bob Woodruff of ABC asked input from all citizens concerning the future of our
planet. Go to www.earth2100.tv for a sobering reality check as to what we
face and to what I have been writing about for the past 20 years. Our
‘window’ to change to a balanced population and non-polluting energy
diminishes every day we listen to irresponsible media and thus ignore the
blatant symptoms manifesting all over America and the planet.
Frosty Wooldridge has bicycled across six continents – from the Arctic to the
South Pole – as well as six times across the USA, coast to coast and border to
border. In 2005, he bicycled from the Arctic Circle, Norway to Athens,
Greece. He presents “The Coming Population Crisis in America: and what you
can do about it” to civic clubs, church groups, high schools and colleges. He
works to bring about sensible world population balance at
www.frostywooldridge.com
From: Frosty Wooldridge
This three minute interview with Adam Schrager on “Your Show” May 4, 2008, NBC
Channel 9 News, addresses the ramifications of adding 120 million people to
USA in 35 years and six million people to Colorado as to water shortages, air
pollution, loss of farmland, energy costs and degradation of quality of life.
In the interview, Frosty Wooldridge explains the ramifications of adding 120
million people to the USA in 35 years. He advances new concepts such as a
“Colorado Carrying Capacity Policy”; “Colorado Environmental Impact Policy”;
“Colorado Water Usage Policy”; “Colorado Sustainable Population Policy”.
Nationally, the USA needs a “National Sustainable Population Policy” to
determine the carrying capacity of this nation for the short and long term.
Wooldridge is available for interviews on radio and TV having interviewed on
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and FOX.
Click the link to view the 3 minute interview with NBC’s Adam Schrager:
http://www.9news.com/video/player.aspx?aid=52364
Frosty Wooldridge
www.frostywooldridge.com
2008 The Denver Post |
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Eugene Miya
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Whitney Portal |
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On Jul 7, 10:16=3DA0am, "rick++" <rick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Curious, since its not near major cities or national parks.
Near is a relative term. Whitney is in Sequoia NP.
My map indicates that Whitney Portal is maybe three miles from Mount
Whitney in a straight line. If I'm not mistaken, the summit is right
at the boundary of Sequoia National Park and Inyo National Forest.
I haven't been there, but I thought that you can actually see Mount
Whitney from Whitney Portal.
The check is the Star Trek Generations film. =A0There's a cut which starts
viewing the Whitney summit (w/o ID) which pans down to a house at
Whitney Portal and then cut inside the house the soon to be dead Capt. Kirk
is making an omelet when Piccard enters.
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Forgot, reminded by the new Warner documentary, another important check
is High Sierra with Bogart which ends at and slightly above the Portal.
The chase up to the Portal might have a Whitney glance. Needs checking.
Can't attend the Lone Pine Film Festival this year.
That might be another check.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: No Banker Left Behind - They Want 'Mama' To Make It All |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:49:22 -0700 (PDT), hpope@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 24, 11:10 pm, Pers3id <pers...@anti-spam.comcast.net> wrote:
Rep Marcy Kapture Speaking to the US House of Representatives
http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=mbD62gNi9WE
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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On Sep 29, 4:26 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
<PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that 10.4 billion barrels of oil
are technically recoverable in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
(ANWR)—less than one and a half years of consumption.
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that of the 59 billion
barrels of technically recoverable oil in the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) of the lower 48 states, only 18 billion are off limits under the
federal moratorium.
DOE projects that lifting the OCS moratorium would not increase
production before 2017 and that by 2030 production would only amount
to 0.2 million barrels per day—less than 1 percent of current
consumption.
Total U.S. proved oil reserves are estimated at 21 billion barrels—
less than a 3 year supply at the current rate of consumption.
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Good post, "drilling" is just more of the Wall Street bullshit.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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hpope@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Sep 29, 4:26 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that 10.4 billion barrels of oil
are technically recoverable in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
(ANWR)—less than one and a half years of consumption.
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that of the 59 billion
barrels of technically recoverable oil in the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) of the lower 48 states, only 18 billion are off limits under the
federal moratorium.
DOE projects that lifting the OCS moratorium would not increase
production before 2017 and that by 2030 production would only amount
to 0.2 million barrels per day—less than 1 percent of current
consumption.
Total U.S. proved oil reserves are estimated at 21 billion barrels—
less than a 3 year supply at the current rate of consumption.
Good post, "drilling" is just more of the Wall Street bullshit.
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You are using EXCEEDINGLY conservative estimates, for political purposes.
With no government constraints, far more could be obtained far sooner.
And, of course, you conveniently forget one fact: what country has the
absolute largest recoverable hydrocarbon reserves? ANSWER: the United States of
America, with over 2 trillion barrels equivalent. That includes oil shale,
which the doomsdayers like you "leave out" by saying that oil shale
does not contain "petroleum" or "oil", which is technically true.
But it does contain hydrocarbons convertable to gasoline.
And this excludes coal.
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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On 2008-09-30, user@domain.invalid <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | hpope@lycos.com wrote:
On Sep 29, 4:26 pm, "Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names"
PopUlist...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The U.S. Geological Survey estimates that 10.4 billion barrels of oil
are technically recoverable in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
(ANWR)?less than one and a half years of consumption.
The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that of the 59 billion
barrels of technically recoverable oil in the Outer Continental Shelf
(OCS) of the lower 48 states, only 18 billion are off limits under the
federal moratorium.
DOE projects that lifting the OCS moratorium would not increase
production before 2017 and that by 2030 production would only amount
to 0.2 million barrels per day?less than 1 percent of current
consumption.
Total U.S. proved oil reserves are estimated at 21 billion barrels?
less than a 3 year supply at the current rate of consumption.
Good post, "drilling" is just more of the Wall Street bullshit.
mitch
You are using EXCEEDINGLY conservative estimates, for political purposes.
With no government constraints, far more could be obtained far sooner.
And, of course, you conveniently forget one fact: what country has the
absolute largest recoverable hydrocarbon reserves? ANSWER: the United States of
America, with over 2 trillion barrels equivalent. That includes oil shale,
which the doomsdayers like you "leave out" by saying that oil shale
does not contain "petroleum" or "oil", which is technically true.
But it does contain hydrocarbons convertable to gasoline.
And this excludes coal.
Doug McDonald
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Right, those are extremely Conservative (as in being a
wingnut's wet dream) estimates. Remember, those numbers
come from the Bush administration, which has been known
to fudge the truth a bit on one or two other occasions.
Most professionals would prolly offer up more conservative
(small "c") numbers.
And it aint gonna happen in much less than a decade. I've been
on the management teams for offshore development at Shell Oil.
I personally built some of the first PERT planning models of
ofshore development. I know how long this stuff takes.
By the time you do the initial surveys, drill the exploratory
wells, analyze the results, design the facilities, get them
installed in place, get the production wells drilled and completed,
get the production facilities shaken down and get your logistics
in place for bring the oil on shore, you're gonna burn a decade
or more.
It's just physics.
And I also assumed away the permitting process, and assumed that
the states let you land the oil and that the environmentalists
don't tie you up in court. And that you don't wind up getting
unusual delays because of competition for access to the fabrication
facilities you gotta use overseas, because we outsourced our
ability to build this stuff more than a quarter of a century ago.
Oil shale is hard. We don't have a proven and economic extraction
methodology yet. Most proposed extraction methods require water,
which has limited availability in the area (and ultimately winds up
shorting population centers in the Southwest). And almost any
production method is going to have some serious environmental
consequences.
Moreover, we obviously need to be moving off of fossil fuels for
climate-related reasons. It's a waste of national resources to be
pouring money down a rathole producing fossil fuels, when you could
spend the same dollars installing wind and solar generation facilities
and upgrading the grid to exploit those new sources.
I understand it's arguable whether you know anything about
outdoorsmanship, but it's clear you haven't a clue about
petroleum. You might want to stick to areas where you have
some practical knowledge.
Cheers, Wolf.
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Angeles Chapter LTC Admin Chair http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ltc/
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