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On 2008-09-30, user@domain.invalid <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Wolf Leverich wrote:
Oil shale is hard. We don't have a proven and economic extraction
methodology yet. Most proposed extraction methods require water,
which has limited availability in the area (and ultimately winds up
shorting population centers in the Southwest). And almost any
production method is going to have some serious environmental
consequences.
Moreover, we obviously need to be moving off of fossil fuels for
climate-related reasons.
I am indeed very knowledgeable on this: and I am an extreme
doubter of "manmade CO2 has caused global warming", I am
much more impressed with the solar flux theory.
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"Very knowledgeable"? That's a 10 for self-confidence, but
what are your actual credentials?
You're taking a position that is out of step with pretty
much the entire technical community. You should either be
very, very good, or you like betting on boxcars, or you're
a fool.
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| Quote: | It's a waste of national resources to be
pouring money down a rathole producing fossil fuels, when you could
spend the same dollars installing wind and solar generation facilities
and upgrading the grid to exploit those new sources.
Wind is a pipe dream for a large fraction of capacity. Solar
would have huge local ecological consequences due to decreased terrestrial
albedo.
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Talk to Pickens about wind.
Re solar, yeah, it's pretty clear that we're going to
make a complete environmental mess out of a chunk of
desert to make that work. That's not good, but I don't
think we're gonna get Americans to move back into caves.
And devastating a small fraction America's deserts seems
like a better choice than the likely result of burning
carbon-based fuels.
Moreover, we're fast approaching the point where solar
is cheaper than fossil-fuel-generated power. Right now
in Southern California, if I had an unobstructed southern
view I would be money ahead going solar rather than buying
power off the grid.
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| Quote: | I understand it's arguable whether you know anything about
outdoorsmanship, but it's clear you haven't a clue about
petroleum. You might want to stick to areas where you have
some practical knowledge.
I see. You have to resort to ad hominem attacks. Typical of the
Left. It shows your desperation.
Doug McDonald
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You realize I'm a registered Republican and quite conservative,
right?
It is true that I am feeling a bit desperate these days, because
it's getting harder and harder to find anyone left in the GOP who
is even vaguely in touch with reality.
Cheers, Wolf.
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Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L
Angeles Chapter LTC Admin Chair http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ltc/
P.O. Box 6831, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6831 leverich@mtpinos.com |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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Wolf Leverich wrote:
| Quote: | Oil shale is hard. We don't have a proven and economic extraction
methodology yet. Most proposed extraction methods require water,
which has limited availability in the area (and ultimately winds up
shorting population centers in the Southwest). And almost any
production method is going to have some serious environmental
consequences.
Moreover, we obviously need to be moving off of fossil fuels for
climate-related reasons.
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I am indeed very knowledgeable on this: and I am an extreme
doubter of "manmade CO2 has caused global warming", I am
much more impressed with the solar flux theory.
| Quote: | It's a waste of national resources to be
pouring money down a rathole producing fossil fuels, when you could
spend the same dollars installing wind and solar generation facilities
and upgrading the grid to exploit those new sources.
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Wind is a pipe dream for a large fraction of capacity. Solar
would have huge local ecological consequences due to decreased terrestrial
albedo.
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I understand it's arguable whether you know anything about
outdoorsmanship, but it's clear you haven't a clue about
petroleum. You might want to stick to areas where you have
some practical knowledge.
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I see. You have to resort to ad hominem attacks. Typical of the
Left. It shows your desperation.
Doug McDonald |
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Wolf Leverich
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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On 2008-10-01, Doug McDonald <mcdonald@NoSpAmscs.uiuc.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | Wolf Leverich wrote:
I am indeed very knowledgeable on this: and I am an extreme
doubter of "manmade CO2 has caused global warming", I am
much more impressed with the solar flux theory.
"Very knowledgeable"? That's a 10 for self-confidence, but
what are your actual credentials?
I am a chemistry professor who has studied atmospheric simulations, and
even served on PhD committees of people working on the field (but
admittedly not on global warming). I've seen far too many
overhyped simulations. Far, far too many. I've punched too many holes
in them.
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Are you the Doug McDonald who's doing protein folding
work at UIUC?
If so, we were at Harvard at almost the same time. I was
over in the Division of Engineering and Applied Physics,
one of George Carrier and Bernie Budiansky's kids.
In particular, I was one of the overhyped simulation guys.
No offense taken.  But it is kinda hard to do experiments
in planetary climatology, and many people would think that
was a pretty bad idea, anyway.
A vague apology -- you're out of your field and most likely
wrong, but I was incorrect in assuming you were just another
brainless wingnut repeating propaganda from Exxon (that even
they have abandoned at this point).
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| Quote: | You're taking a position that is out of step with pretty
much the entire technical community.
Uh, no, not at all. I'm out of step of the politically correct
community, of course. But there are plenty of technical people who
doubt the gloom and doom hype. The problem of explaining
all this is that the hypers are correct that CO2 causes global warming.
But global warming causes CO2. The key is to correctly predict the
feedback mechanisms. There are many chaotic elements to believe
simulations that are oversimplified. This means that one must simulate
the whole atmosphere and the whole oceans in a full 3D dynamic model,
with many, many levels in each. The extremely important solar flux
input is poorly predictable, if predictable at all. The data which is
input suffers .. and I mean really suffers ... from being on too coarse
a time scale, except for the very tail end.
Doug McDonald
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Yup, I'm kinda painfully aware of what's wrong with the
simulations. I've never met a perfect simulation, and
I've seen a lot of them.
OTOH, you're making the almost trite error that experimental
scientists tend to make when they interact with modelers.
Models don't have to be "right", or even very good, to
be useful. Yeah, you may need to model vortices generated
by a butterfly in Beijing if what you're trying to do is
forecast the weather six months from now in Urbana.
But you can use a single-equation-scribbled-on-the-back-of-
an-envelope model to tell you that if we dump enough greenhouse
gasses into the atmosphere fast enough, then the climate is
prolly gonna change. ;)
The interesting question is how much resolution you need in
the models to inform the public policy issue at hand. Most
folks in the field will prolly tell you that we're far enough
along with the modeling that there ought to be serious concern
that we can cause climate shifts with our emissions.
Cheers, Wolf.
--
Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L
Angeles Chapter LTC Admin Chair http://angeles.sierraclub.org/ltc/
P.O. Box 6831, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6831 leverich@mtpinos.com |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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Wolf Leverich wrote:
| Quote: | I am indeed very knowledgeable on this: and I am an extreme
doubter of "manmade CO2 has caused global warming", I am
much more impressed with the solar flux theory.
"Very knowledgeable"? That's a 10 for self-confidence, but
what are your actual credentials?
I am a chemistry professor who has studied atmospheric simulations, and |
even served on PhD committees of people working on the field (but
admittedly not on global warming). I've seen far too many
overhyped simulations. Far, far too many. I've punched too many holes
in them.
| Quote: | You're taking a position that is out of step with pretty
much the entire technical community.
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Uh, no, not at all. I'm out of step of the politically correct
community, of course. But there are plenty of technical people who
doubt the gloom and doom hype. The problem of explaining
all this is that the hypers are correct that CO2 causes global warming.
But global warming causes CO2. The key is to correctly predict the
feedback mechanisms. There are many chaotic elements to believe
simulations that are oversimplified. This means that one must simulate
the whole atmosphere and the whole oceans in a full 3D dynamic model,
with many, many levels in each. The extremely important solar flux
input is poorly predictable, if predictable at all. The data which is
input suffers .. and I mean really suffers ... from being on too coarse
a time scale, except for the very tail end.
> Doug McDonald |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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Wolf Leverich wrote:
| Quote: | Models don't have to be "right", or even very good, to
be useful. Yeah, you may need to model vortices generated
by a butterfly in Beijing if what you're trying to do is
forecast the weather six months from now in Urbana.
But you can use a single-equation-scribbled-on-the-back-of-
an-envelope model to tell you that if we dump enough greenhouse
gasses into the atmosphere fast enough, then the climate is
prolly gonna change. ;)
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Indeed, yes indeed. I agree. For really fast dumps, I would
suppose we can predict the time constant for a return to
equilibrium. By really fast, I would just guess, a 10% change
in CO2 concentration in 6 months.
| Quote: | The interesting question is how much resolution you need in
the models to inform the public policy issue at hand. Most
folks in the field will prolly tell you that we're far enough
along with the modeling that there ought to be serious concern
that we can cause climate shifts with our emissions.
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That's a cautious enough statement that it isn't wrong. But given the
gloom and doom hype, and the more radical proposals to
"correct" it, it's not good enough. Good enough means taking
data collected up to say the year 1800 and predicting the climate since
then without input to either the data OR THE MODEL; by of the model I
mean, you can't use later data to calibrate how the model is built.
Then do it with 1820 instead of 1800, and so on in 20 year increments to 1980.
If the models converge well before the data gets as "fine" in scale as
it is today, I'll believe you.
Also, it is very clear that the hypers and doomsdayers are NOT PROPOSING
ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN CO2 PRODUCTION RATE. By significant I
mean say a 60% reduction. In fact, given that they are not proposing
a genuine mechanism ... and there is only one such mechanism ...
to stop emission growth in China ... they are not
proposing to reduce emissions at all. By "genuine mechanism" I mean
a real, believeable , threat of fullscale war with China. China is
not going to do anything that would reduce its program to rule the world.
This is pure politics. Not science. The whole hype idea is simply
a mechanism to reduce the standard of living of the USA and
shift wealth to other countries. Note the "market in emissions
permission paper" proposals that say that the USA will buy emission
credits from third world countries that then don't reduce emissions.
Its pure politics.
If someone believes that doom is nigh and we have to stop
CO2, we also have to stop cow burps. I want these people to
say "doom is nigh ... to stop it, we are going to reduce
your standard of living to like it was in 1850. Vote for us
and we'll do that to you ... but of yes, we have no power over
China". When I hear that, I'll suspect that they REALLY believe.
"Wolf" has been cried much too often.
Doug McDonald
P.S. ... the chlorine modelers, on whose PhD committees I served,
probably have a much better model system at least today. The models
I actually saw on PhD theses were somewhat, uh, lacking. They were
convincing in that they did show that the badly known reaction
rate constants were unlikely to cause problems. But they left out
too much, like any modeling of nitrogen containing species, except
one, you guessed it, chlorine nitrate. This was bothersome. I
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Some facts that the drill, drill, drill crowd does not w |
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Right, those are extremely Conservative (as in being a
wingnut's wet dream) estimates. Remember, those numbers
come from the Bush administration, which has been known
to fudge the truth a bit on one or two other occasions.
Most professionals would prolly offer up more conservative
(small "c") numbers.
And it aint gonna happen in much less than a decade. I've been
on the management teams for offshore development at Shell Oil.
I personally built some of the first PERT planning models of
ofshore development. I know how long this stuff takes.
By the time you do the initial surveys, drill the exploratory
wells, analyze the results, design the facilities, get them
installed in place, get the production wells drilled and completed,
get the production facilities shaken down and get your logistics
in place for bring the oil on shore, you're gonna burn a decade
or more.
It's just physics.
And I also assumed away the permitting process, and assumed that
the states let you land the oil and that the environmentalists
don't tie you up in court. And that you don't wind up getting
unusual delays because of competition for access to the fabrication
facilities you gotta use overseas, because we outsourced our
ability to build this stuff more than a quarter of a century ago.
Oil shale is hard. We don't have a proven and economic extraction
methodology yet. Most proposed extraction methods require water,
which has limited availability in the area (and ultimately winds up
shorting population centers in the Southwest). And almost any
production method is going to have some serious environmental
consequences.
Moreover, we obviously need to be moving off of fossil fuels for
climate-related reasons. It's a waste of national resources to be
pouring money down a rathole producing fossil fuels, when you could
spend the same dollars installing wind and solar generation facilities
and upgrading the grid to exploit those new sources.
I understand it's arguable whether you know anything about
outdoorsmanship, but it's clear you haven't a clue about
petroleum. You might want to stick to areas where you have
some practical knowledge.
Cheers, Wolf.
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT), hpope@lycos.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 2, 12:07 pm, tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://www.stormfront.org/audio/stormfront_radio-dr_david_duke_and_do...
I want to urge all readers and listeners of Davidduke.com to contact
their Senators and Congressmen and demand that this gigantic theft of
American taxpayers be voted down [see congress.org & senate.gov]. Tell
the International Criminal Bankers to Stuff it!
Please forgive my coarse language, but I am so angry about this
proposed biggest criminal theft in history that I feel impelled to
speak with no holds barred.
There are a number of reasons for the financial crisis. Here are the
two most prominent causes of this debacle.
1.) The crisis in massive numbers of failed mortgage loans is rooted
in the “affirmative action” minority banking policies imposed by the
Federal Government, and exploited by the Wall Street banks.
Citing minority load rejections, America’s controlled media has for
years waged an unrelenting campaign that claimed minorities have been
discriminated against by lending institutions. The affirmative action
politicians and the Federal Reserve then forced institutions to change
sound borrowing policies to foster millions of unsound minority loans.
In a September 28 Boston Globe column, Jeff Jacoby asserted:
The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration.
That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists,
began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and “redlining” because
urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than
suburban whites.
The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers
with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the
Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that
failed to “meet the credit needs” of “low-income, minority, and
distressed neighborhoods.” Lenders responded by loosening their
underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two
government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac, encouraged this “subprime” lending by authorizing ever more
“flexible” criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified
for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that
ensued…
Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment
benefits as “valid income sources” to qualify for a mortgage. Failure
to comply could mean a lawsuit.
Watch the accompanying video of George Bush speaking six years ago
about racial lending policies that are now coming home to roost. Here
is the text of George Bush’s words directly from the video:
More and more people own their own homes in America today. Two
thirds of all Americans own their own homes, but we have a problem
because fewer than half of the Hispanics and fewer than half of the
African Americans own their own home. That’s a home ownership gap, a
gap we have to work together to close. By the end of this decade we
will increase the number of minority homeowners by at least 5 and ½
million.
Of course one of the larger obstacles to minority home ownership
is financing. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have committed to provide
more money for lenders, they have committed to meet the shortage of
money for minority homebuyers. Freddie Mac recently began 25
initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create
greater opportunities for home ownership. One of the programs is
designed to help deserving families with bad credit histories to
qualify for home ownership loans. You don’t have to have a lousy home
for first time homebuyers. You put your mind to it, the low income
homebuyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.
Of course, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went belly up from these
policies and these institutions have been bailed out by the
overwhelming White taxpayers. It is true that many middle-class,
European Americans saw the increase of the home values and were lured
into refinancing and taking some of the money out of their homes, and
there is no denying that some elements abused the system. But, the
overwhelming numbers of these European American homeowners are biting
the bullet and paying their mortgages even though the underlying value
of their homes have declined. Those who have lost their jobs or who
are transferred to another locality, they are suffering great
financial hardship. Because they have had good credit and want to keep
it solid, the vast majority don’t walk away from their loans. On the
other hand, the minorities with bad credit histories that President
Bush talks about have no qualms about walking away from their loans
and getting foreclosed, for their credit is bad anyway.
It is not enough, when better-qualified White people face government-
mandated and media-applauded discrimination in jobs, promotions,
scholarships, college admissions, and contracting. Now European
Americans, the group that pays 98 percent of the taxes in the United
States of America are being told that they must foot the bill for
these affirmative action lending policies.
2.) The other main cause of the financial crisis has been the corrupt
manipulation of the Jewish-controlled Federal Reserve System and other
Jewish-dominated international financial institutions.
The policies of the Federal Reserve are directly responsible for the
minority lending policies and they constructed a financial system that
enabled the Jewish-dominated financial houses to have billion dollar
profits from these new policies. Now they are seeking to have these
Billions of dollars of false, paper profits on toxic loans that have
turned to dust, will ultimately be paid for by the taxpayer.
Chairmanship of the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank is
practically a “Jewish seat” today with Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom
Bernanke serving for a combined 21 years. Although ostensibly
appointed by the President of the United States and approved by the
Senate, these FED Chairmen have amazingly remained in office even when
Presidential Administrations vacillated between Republican and
Democratic. At the same time that new administrations routinely
replace leading cabinet and administrative positions, even going as
far down as local U.S. Attorneys, for some reason, Jewish Federal
Reserve Chairmen don’t change so regularly. What the Jewish power in
Washington wants, it gets. If it wants a Jewish Republican financier
being the most powerful economic czar in America in a democratic
administration, or Jewish Democrat agent in a Republican
administration it gets what it wants.
As I point out in my books and articles, and as I document with
quotations from prominent Jewish leaders, there is no ethnic group on
the planet more conscious of what they perceive as their common
interests and their Jewish agenda. From their mother’s milk they are
taught that they have always been suffering victims and that they will
always will be threatened by non-Jews. The most important days in the
Judaic Religion are reserved for commemoration of Gentile persecution
and Jewish self-adulation, such as Passover, Purim and Chanukah.
Chronic portrayal of the Holocaust has been seared into the
consciousness of Jews. And guilt is accorded not just to the National
Socialists but to the entire Christian world. By this thinking, Jews
are never safe; they must always look out for themselves and never
trust Gentiles to serve their interests. They are taught to act in a
way that empowers the Jewish people and empowers their brethren in the
host society. At the same time they condemn any sort of ethnic
consciousness of non-Jews, they know that as a team they can
accomplish their agenda. One reason why Jews can exercise incredibly
disproportionate power in politics and media is the same team strategy
that has led to dominance in the highest echelons of International
Finance.
No group networks as does the Jewish community around the world. A
group that constitutes 2.1 percent of the population of the United
States constitutes the most powerful lobby in the United States,
AIPAC, as well as many less-mentioned assorted lobbies and special
interest groups they dominate American politics. They so dominate the
American media that the Jewish Chronicle in Los Angeles openly boasts
for its Jewish readers. “Jews own 4 of the 5 largest media
conglomerates in the United States” and they point out that the 5th is
owned by Zionist-controlled Gentile (Murdoch). The Murdoch empire has
Jews in key positions in almost all the key media positions, such as
Fox News. Must I go much further than to mention the three most
influential newspapers in the United States, The New York Times and
The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal are completely in the
control of Jewish Zionists? I could of course go a lot further, the
major news magazines, huge newspaper chains, and their undeniable
supremacy over the Television and Movie industry. (See my chapter on
Jewish Media Control from My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism)
Is it any wonder that the media praises organizations that brazenly
advance the Jewish agenda and Jewish interests, such as AIPAC and the
American Jewish Committee? Do you understand why they heap praise on
organizations like the Jewish ADL (anti-Defamation League of B’nai
B’rith) that fight organizations that defend the interests of European-
Americans while at the same time they defend the racist, supremacist
State of Israel, a nation that segregates Jews and non-Jews and even
forbids legal intermarriage of a Jew and Gentile?
Is it any wonder that any organization who would dare to work for the
interests of White Americans is demonized by that same media?
Is it any wonder that the media approves of billions of dollars of
American tax money sent to Israel, a segregated, ethno-religious,
supremacist state? At the same time the media condemns any sort of
White consciousness in America as racism and supremacism.
Is it any wonder that Jewish Neocons could steer America into a
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Good article, fine website.
mitch
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wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:45:27 -0700 (PDT), hpope@lycos.com wrote:
On Oct 2, 12:07 pm, tg <D2Zabc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://www.stormfront.org/audio/stormfront_radio-dr_david_duke_and_do...
I want to urge all readers and listeners of Davidduke.com to contact
their Senators and Congressmen and demand that this gigantic theft of
American taxpayers be voted down [see congress.org & senate.gov]. Tell
the International Criminal Bankers to Stuff it!
Please forgive my coarse language, but I am so angry about this
proposed biggest criminal theft in history that I feel impelled to
speak with no holds barred.
There are a number of reasons for the financial crisis. Here are the
two most prominent causes of this debacle.
1.) The crisis in massive numbers of failed mortgage loans is rooted
in the “affirmative action” minority banking policies imposed by the
Federal Government, and exploited by the Wall Street banks.
Citing minority load rejections, America’s controlled media has for
years waged an unrelenting campaign that claimed minorities have been
discriminated against by lending institutions. The affirmative action
politicians and the Federal Reserve then forced institutions to change
sound borrowing policies to foster millions of unsound minority loans.
In a September 28 Boston Globe column, Jeff Jacoby asserted:
The roots of this crisis go back to the Carter administration.
That was when government officials, egged on by left-wing activists,
began accusing mortgage lenders of racism and “redlining” because
urban blacks were being denied mortgages at a higher rate than
suburban whites.
The pressure to make more loans to minorities (read: to borrowers
with weak credit histories) became relentless. Congress passed the
Community Reinvestment Act, empowering regulators to punish banks that
failed to “meet the credit needs” of “low-income, minority, and
distressed neighborhoods.” Lenders responded by loosening their
underwriting standards and making increasingly shoddy loans. The two
government-chartered mortgage finance firms, Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac, encouraged this “subprime” lending by authorizing ever more
“flexible” criteria by which high-risk borrowers could be qualified
for home loans, and then buying up the questionable mortgages that
ensued…
Lenders were directed to accept welfare payments and unemployment
benefits as “valid income sources” to qualify for a mortgage. Failure
to comply could mean a lawsuit.
Watch the accompanying video of George Bush speaking six years ago
about racial lending policies that are now coming home to roost. Here
is the text of George Bush’s words directly from the video:
More and more people own their own homes in America today. Two
thirds of all Americans own their own homes, but we have a problem
because fewer than half of the Hispanics and fewer than half of the
African Americans own their own home. That’s a home ownership gap, a
gap we have to work together to close. By the end of this decade we
will increase the number of minority homeowners by at least 5 and ½
million.
Of course one of the larger obstacles to minority home ownership
is financing. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have committed to provide
more money for lenders, they have committed to meet the shortage of
money for minority homebuyers. Freddie Mac recently began 25
initiatives around the country to dismantle barriers and create
greater opportunities for home ownership. One of the programs is
designed to help deserving families with bad credit histories to
qualify for home ownership loans. You don’t have to have a lousy home
for first time homebuyers. You put your mind to it, the low income
homebuyer can have just as nice a house as anybody else.
Of course, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac went belly up from these
policies and these institutions have been bailed out by the
overwhelming White taxpayers. It is true that many middle-class,
European Americans saw the increase of the home values and were lured
into refinancing and taking some of the money out of their homes, and
there is no denying that some elements abused the system. But, the
overwhelming numbers of these European American homeowners are biting
the bullet and paying their mortgages even though the underlying value
of their homes have declined. Those who have lost their jobs or who
are transferred to another locality, they are suffering great
financial hardship. Because they have had good credit and want to keep
it solid, the vast majority don’t walk away from their loans. On the
other hand, the minorities with bad credit histories that President
Bush talks about have no qualms about walking away from their loans
and getting foreclosed, for their credit is bad anyway.
It is not enough, when better-qualified White people face government-
mandated and media-applauded discrimination in jobs, promotions,
scholarships, college admissions, and contracting. Now European
Americans, the group that pays 98 percent of the taxes in the United
States of America are being told that they must foot the bill for
these affirmative action lending policies.
2.) The other main cause of the financial crisis has been the corrupt
manipulation of the Jewish-controlled Federal Reserve System and other
Jewish-dominated international financial institutions.
The policies of the Federal Reserve are directly responsible for the
minority lending policies and they constructed a financial system that
enabled the Jewish-dominated financial houses to have billion dollar
profits from these new policies. Now they are seeking to have these
Billions of dollars of false, paper profits on toxic loans that have
turned to dust, will ultimately be paid for by the taxpayer.
Chairmanship of the privately-owned Federal Reserve Bank is
practically a “Jewish seat” today with Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom
Bernanke serving for a combined 21 years. Although ostensibly
appointed by the President of the United States and approved by the
Senate, these FED Chairmen have amazingly remained in office even when
Presidential Administrations vacillated between Republican and
Democratic. At the same time that new administrations routinely
replace leading cabinet and administrative positions, even going as
far down as local U.S. Attorneys, for some reason, Jewish Federal
Reserve Chairmen don’t change so regularly. What the Jewish power in
Washington wants, it gets. If it wants a Jewish Republican financier
being the most powerful economic czar in America in a democratic
administration, or Jewish Democrat agent in a Republican
administration it gets what it wants.
As I point out in my books and articles, and as I document with
quotations from prominent Jewish leaders, there is no ethnic group on
the planet more conscious of what they perceive as their common
interests and their Jewish agenda. From their mother’s milk they are
taught that they have always been suffering victims and that they will
always will be threatened by non-Jews. The most important days in the
Judaic Religion are reserved for commemoration of Gentile persecution
and Jewish self-adulation, such as Passover, Purim and Chanukah.
Chronic portrayal of the Holocaust has been seared into the
consciousness of Jews. And guilt is accorded not just to the National
Socialists but to the entire Christian world. By this thinking, Jews
are never safe; they must always look out for themselves and never
trust Gentiles to serve their interests. They are taught to act in a
way that empowers the Jewish people and empowers their brethren in the
host society. At the same time they condemn any sort of ethnic
consciousness of non-Jews, they know that as a team they can
accomplish their agenda. One reason why Jews can exercise incredibly
disproportionate power in politics and media is the same team strategy
that has led to dominance in the highest echelons of International
Finance.
No group networks as does the Jewish community around the world. A
group that constitutes 2.1 percent of the population of the United
States constitutes the most powerful lobby in the United States,
AIPAC, as well as many less-mentioned assorted lobbies and special
interest groups they dominate American politics. They so dominate the
American media that the Jewish Chronicle in Los Angeles openly boasts
for its Jewish readers. “Jews own 4 of the 5 largest media
conglomerates in the United States” and they point out that the 5th is
owned by Zionist-controlled Gentile (Murdoch). The Murdoch empire has
Jews in key positions in almost all the key media positions, such as
Fox News. Must I go much further than to mention the three most
influential newspapers in the United States, The New York Times and
The Washington Post, and The Wall Street Journal are completely in the
control of Jewish Zionists? I could of course go a lot further, the
major news magazines, huge newspaper chains, and their undeniable
supremacy over the Television and Movie industry. (See my chapter on
Jewish Media Control from My Awakening and Jewish Supremacism)
Is it any wonder that the media praises organizations that brazenly
advance the Jewish agenda and Jewish interests, such as AIPAC and the
American Jewish Committee? Do you understand why they heap praise on
organizations like the Jewish ADL (anti-Defamation League of B’nai
B’rith) that fight organizations that defend the interests of European-
Americans while at the same time they defend the racist, supremacist
State of Israel, a nation that segregates Jews and non-Jews and even
forbids legal intermarriage of a Jew and Gentile?
Is it any wonder that any organization who would dare to work for the
interests of White Americans is demonized by that same media?
Is it any wonder that the media approves of billions of dollars of
American tax money sent to Israel, a segregated, ethno-religious,
supremacist state? At the same time the media condemns any sort of
White consciousness in America as racism and supremacism.
Is it any wonder that Jewish Neocons could steer America into a
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Good article, fine website.
mitch
America needs a total rebuild.
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The author of the article forgot his
sheet and conical hat. This is unsupported
assertions based on the racist and anti-
semitic axes that Duke has to grind for
whatever reason.
It would be my guess that at least for the
African-American community, home ownership
is a treasured right and they will do
almost anything to make sure that they
can afford the house they are buying and
that they will meet their mortgage
committment.
I would suspect the same of the Hispanic
community.
Yes, neocons are bad news, but not because
they have their roots in a Jewish,
intellectual democratic party. And yes,
neocon policies have certainly helped
get us to where we are today. But the
reason is their insistence on deregulation
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In article <slrnge5lmt.i6m.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com>,
Wolf Leverich <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 2008-09-30, user@domain.invalid <user@domain.invalid> wrote:
I am indeed very knowledgeable on this:
"Very knowledgeable"? That's a 10 for self-confidence, but
what are your actual credentials?
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Doug is a UIUC chemist.
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On Sun, 05 Oct 2008 10:16:32 -0700, wismel@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | What an interesting era lies ahead. A systemically flawed consumer
economy, third-worlding via immigration, political and social
divisivness, etc.
John Q. Public, imagining himself a warrior, abuses his Harley by
plunkng his massive posterior on the long-suffering seat. Other gather
before the boob tube rooting for an assortment of negroes running up
and down a field with an inflated animal skin. It will be most amusing
to watch the financial system begin an even more rapid decline.
Anticipate a chorus of screams, groans, fart, and moans.
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"the Moderator" <sparky@no_spam_engineer.com> wrote in message
news:xpOdnTJsYr3HXH7VnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@centurytel.net...
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"Wolf Leverich" <leverich@linkpendium.com> wrote in message
news:slrnge54q4.ooi.leverich@askin-17.linkpendium.com...
Right, those are extremely Conservative (as in being a
wingnut's wet dream) estimates. Remember, those numbers
come from the Bush administration, which has been known
to fudge the truth a bit on one or two other occasions.
Most professionals would prolly offer up more conservative
(small "c") numbers.
And it aint gonna happen in much less than a decade. I've been
on the management teams for offshore development at Shell Oil.
I personally built some of the first PERT planning models of
ofshore development. I know how long this stuff takes.
By the time you do the initial surveys, drill the exploratory
wells, analyze the results, design the facilities, get them
installed in place, get the production wells drilled and completed,
get the production facilities shaken down and get your logistics
in place for bring the oil on shore, you're gonna burn a decade
or more.
It's just physics.
And I also assumed away the permitting process, and assumed that
the states let you land the oil and that the environmentalists
don't tie you up in court. And that you don't wind up getting
unusual delays because of competition for access to the fabrication
facilities you gotta use overseas, because we outsourced our
ability to build this stuff more than a quarter of a century ago.
Oil shale is hard. We don't have a proven and economic extraction
methodology yet. Most proposed extraction methods require water,
which has limited availability in the area (and ultimately winds up
shorting population centers in the Southwest). And almost any
production method is going to have some serious environmental
consequences.
Moreover, we obviously need to be moving off of fossil fuels for
climate-related reasons. It's a waste of national resources to be
pouring money down a rathole producing fossil fuels, when you could
spend the same dollars installing wind and solar generation facilities
and upgrading the grid to exploit those new sources.
I understand it's arguable whether you know anything about
outdoorsmanship, but it's clear you haven't a clue about
petroleum. You might want to stick to areas where you have
some practical knowledge.
Cheers, Wolf.
In the Presidential debate Obama said he had a plan to eliminate foreign
oil in ten years. Have you looked at his plan?
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Illegal aliens using and endangering public lands should be shot on
sight. This damaging of parks and forests just reinforces that
obvious truth, "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien".
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No, they're just good capitalists. They found a market and are
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| Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: Re: Mexican marijuana cartels sully US forests, parks |
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:30:00 -0700 (PDT),
simple.language.yahoo@gmail.com wrote:
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National forests and parks — long popular with Mexican marijuana-
growing cartels — have become home to some of the most polluted
pockets of wilderness in America because of the toxic chemicals needed
to eke lucrative harvests from rocky mountainsides, federal officials
said.
The grow sites have taken hold from the West Coast's Cascade
Mountains, as well as on federal lands in Kentucky, Tennessee and West
Virginia.
Seven hundred grow sites were discovered on U.S. Forest Service land
in California alone in 2007 and 2008 — and authorities say the 1,800-
square-mile Sequoia National Forest is the hardest hit.
Weed and bug sprays, some long banned in the U.S., have been smuggled
to the marijuana farms. Plant growth hormones have been dumped into
streams, and the water has then been diverted for miles in PVC pipes.
Rat poison has been sprinkled over the landscape to keep animals away
from tender plants. And many sites are strewn with the carcasses of
deer and bears poached by workers during the five-month growing season
that is now ending.
"What's going on on public lands is a crisis at every level," said
Forest Service agent Ron Pugh. "These are America's most precious
resources, and they are being devastated by an unprecedented
commercial enterprise conducted by armed foreign nationals. It is a
huge mess."
The first documented marijuana cartels were discovered in Sequoia
National Park in 1998. Then, officials say, tighter border controls
after Sept. 11, 2001, forced industrial-scale growers to move their
operations into the United States.
Millions of dollars are spent every year to find and uproot marijuana-
growing operations on state and federal lands, but federal officials
say no money is budgeted to clean up the environmental mess left
behind after helicopters carry off the plants. They are encouraged
that Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., who last year secured funding
for eradication, has inquired about the pollution problems.
In the meantime, the only cleanup is done by volunteers. On Tuesday,
the nonprofit High Sierra Trail Crew, founded to improve access to
public lands, plans to take 30 people deep into the Sequoia National
Forest to carry out miles of drip irrigation pipe, tons of human
garbage, volatile propane canisters, and bags and bottles of
herbicides and pesticides.
"If the people of California knew what was going on out there, they'd
be up in arms about this," said Shane Krogen, the nonprofit's
executive director. "Helicopters full of dope are like body counts in
the Vietnam War. What does it really mean?"
Last year, law enforcement agents uprooted nearly five million plants
in California, nearly a half million in Kentucky and 276,000 in
Washington state as the development of hybrid plants has expanded the
range of climates marijuana can tolerate.
"People light up a joint, and they have no idea the amount of
environmental damage associated with it," said Cicely Muldoon, deputy
regional director of the Pacific West Region of the National Park
Service.
As of Sept. 2, more than 2.2 million plants had been uprooted
statewide. The largest single bust in the nation this year netted
482,000 plants in the remote Sierra of Tulare County, the forest
service said.
Some popular parks also have suffered damage. In 2007, rangers found
more than 20,000 plants in Yosemite National Park and 43,000 plants in
Sequoia Kings Canyon National Park, where 159 grow sites have been
discovered over the past 10 years.
Agent Patrick Foy of the California Department of Fish and Game
estimated that 1.5 pounds of fertilizers and pesticides is used for
every 11.5 plants.
"I've seen the pesticide residue on the plants," Foy said. "You ain't
just smoking pot, bud. You're smoking some heavy-duty pesticides from
Mexico."
Scott Wanek, the western regional chief ranger for the National Park
Service, said he believes the eradication efforts have touched only a
small portion of the marijuana farms and that the environmental impact
is much greater than anyone knows.
"Think about Sequoia," Wanek said. "The impact goes well beyond the
acreage planted. They create huge networks of trail systems, and the
chemicals that get into watersheds are potentially very far-reaching —
all the way to drinking water for the downstream communities. We are
trying to study that now."
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Illegal aliens using and endangering public lands should be shot on
sight. This damaging of parks and forests just reinforces that
obvious truth, "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien".
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:48:08 -0700 (PDT), whudson1903@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 13, 11:55 pm, VTR <vexjo...@gmx.us> wrote:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=193573
These greasy schmucks make the thumpers seem rational!
Walter
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Have the feds closed that kosher slaughterhouse that employed illegal
aliens and generally brutalized the animals?
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Dan
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thylacoleocarnifex@clearwire.net wrote:
| Quote: | Illegal aliens using and endangering public lands should be shot on
sight. This damaging of parks and forests just reinforces that
obvious truth, "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien".
ted
No, they're just good capitalists. They found a market and are
fulfilling it.
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How true. Funny how the stupid shit "conservatives" never seem to
understand the system the blindly champion.
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