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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 6:40 am Post subject: Re: America, heading for "Latin-American" status |
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| Quote: | pete@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.ME (Pete Hickey) wrote in message
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In article <1098a1eac02bf0e75f6b8d89012e2249@TeraNews>,
Tom <Tom@eddw5n.edu> wrote:
abuse@twtelecom.net
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Pete, stop playing in your crib and do something about the major
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20% huh... that sucks. Sounds hard to believe. I will keep these thoughts
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Sierra Club sells out!! |
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wolfbat359@mindspring.com (Donald L Ferrt) wrote in
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| Quote: | And there is the point to your posting! You see the Sierra Club
as a organization out to shut down all public Land. With no
proof, I man add!
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Given that they lied to me when I was a member about their intentions
over Mineral King vs. San Jacinto, I think they're trying to shut
down public land to all except the annointed few. I'm thinking maybe
we should try using the ADA to open up the Muir Trail -- just to see
what happens. ;-)
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Jeff Strickland
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Mountain Biker Tries to Claim that Hikers Do More Damage |
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"Dashi Toshii" <Toshii@Jpn.com> wrote in message
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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This is false. The only small aminals that might be killed are insects,
and
there are no insects that will live where only one or two will live,
they
tend to breed by the thousands and cover a wide area.
Small animals that I have seen killed or injured by bicycles are snake and
chipmunks.
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I have never seen a chipmunk or squirl that was too slow to get out of the
way, but I have seen snakes that are dead and near the trail. To the
squirls, I wonder why they are a big concern, there are litaraly millions of
them and they are hardly an endangered species. Snakes are another matter,
but in 35 years of driving on forest roads and trails, I can't remember
seeing a dead animal that was killed by the visitors. I know I am only one
person, and I generally visit the same areas that are nearby my home, so
what happens in the rest of the world can not be illustrated perfectly by my
experiences.
I think that responsible visitors can and should enjoy the backcountry areas
no matter how they get there. We have serious problems with irresponsible
visitors from very class, hiking, biking, motorized vehicle, but we ought
not lump all users of a particular travel mode into a group for the purposes
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Dirk Genius
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same imp |
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I agree fully with this man (?). Mountain bikes are for two types of people
only, Faggots, Queers, and Homosexuals. Motor bikes can dodge animals
faster, and can get to help faster if you start a forest fire by accident.
Bottom line, if your a mouintain biker, then you will cause the forest to
catch on fire, cause Sasquatch to become extinct, and you might scare off
some of those good, respectable people who make Methamphetimines and white
lightening in our forests, and that's not good. Also, you might get SARS
from civent cats if you are mountaing biking in China, that's the last thing
we need mountain bikers that spread biblical plauges from zoonosis.
Mountain bikes are for plagues spreaders. Also, if you mountain bike you
might make the mountain erupt, like what happened on mt. st. helens.
"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:07:27 GMT, "Cameron" <noncomposmentis@verizon.net
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."Humongojugomango" <humongojugomango@cs.com> wrote in message
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.> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to
HIKE 86.1
.> >miles in a day!
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.> >Mike
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.> do you ever stop????
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.Unfortunately, no.
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.I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt roads
and converted rail-trail.
.Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I guess
mountain bikes do
.more damage than trains. ;-)
You completely missed the point. This isn't the only place where mountain
bikers
travel several times as far as hikers. In fact, they do it EVERYWHERE.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
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The Real Bev
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Sierra Club sells out!! |
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Wombat wrote:
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wolfbat359@mindspring.com (Donald L Ferrt) wrote in
news:b9eb3efe.0306222331.6cc1ecee@posting.google.com:
And there is the point to your posting! You see the Sierra Club
as a organization out to shut down all public Land. With no
proof, I man add!
Given that they lied to me when I was a member about their intentions
over Mineral King vs. San Jacinto, I think they're trying to shut
down public land to all except the annointed few. I'm thinking maybe
we should try using the ADA to open up the Muir Trail -- just to see
what happens. 
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If you get up a petition, I'll sign it!
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Cheers,
Bev
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when you can just go out and buy one for a few bucks." -- lpogoda |
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David Hoover
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same imp |
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Funny how late in the evening, or in the very early morning, the beer takes
over one's typing.
..............and it's THREE types of people dinkhead.
"Dirk Genius" <dirkgenius@fuckmikev.mikev> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I agree fully with this man (?). Mountain bikes are for two types of
people
only, Faggots, Queers, and Homosexuals. Motor bikes can dodge animals
faster, and can get to help faster if you start a forest fire by accident.
Bottom line, if your a mouintain biker, then you will cause the forest to
catch on fire, cause Sasquatch to become extinct, and you might scare off
some of those good, respectable people who make Methamphetimines and white
lightening in our forests, and that's not good. Also, you might get SARS
from civent cats if you are mountaing biking in China, that's the last
thing
we need mountain bikers that spread biblical plauges from zoonosis.
Mountain bikes are for plagues spreaders. Also, if you mountain bike you
might make the mountain erupt, like what happened on mt. st. helens.
"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 17:07:27 GMT, "Cameron"
noncomposmentis@verizon.net
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."Humongojugomango" <humongojugomango@cs.com> wrote in message
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.> >Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same impact? Try to
HIKE 86.1
.> >miles in a day!
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.> >Mike
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.> do you ever stop????
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.Unfortunately, no.
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.I don't think he realizes that the "trails" Bob rode involves dirt
roads
and converted rail-trail.
.Plus some single. I've ridden out there during the 2000 MS ride. I
guess
mountain bikes do
.more damage than trains. ;-)
You completely missed the point. This isn't the only place where
mountain
bikers
travel several times as far as hikers. In fact, they do it EVERYWHERE.
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Peter H
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Mountain Biker Tries to Claim that Hikers Do More Damage |
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Dashi Toshii wrote:
| Quote: | "Doug Haxton" <dlhaxton@attbi.com> wrote in
Small animals that I have seen killed or injured by bicycles are snake
and
chipmunks.
To which one might quite rightly point out, "So what?"
Doug
Snakes are beneficial in that they keep the rodent population in check,
chipmunks are cute!
Dashii
Since *some* snakes eat rodents, and your *cute* chipmunk is a rodent....... |
Incidentally, cuteness is not an environmental attribute.
Pete H
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Maohai Huang
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 4:58 pm Post subject: Re: Should a tent floor be waterproof? |
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"AMG" <martinez@nojunkrica.net> wrote:
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my light weight TNF tent always has water on the floor in the norning
when the ground under is soaking wet. I don't think it is from
condensation or from the seams. must be from pressure areas through
the tent floor fabric. I think ground sheet helps a little.
but basically I stopped worrying about it (because there is only
a small puddle at the very worst) and just use the mop or towel
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Were trailers full of hot air? |
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 18:06:53 -0700, Eric Lee Green <eric@badtux.org>
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| Quote: | wandering star wrote:
The media has been correct that thousands of Iraqis were murdered and
dumped in mass graves. That alone provides the moral justification for
the invasion. All the rest is ... hot air.
That's bullshit. The justification for the war was a preemptive strike
against Iraq to prevent them from providing WMD to terrorists to use
against the US. Of course that was all hot air.
Not to mention that it's supposed to be the UNITED STATES government, not the
WORLD government. I don't pay my damned taxes in order to protect Iraqis, I
pay my taxes to protect Americans! I was dubious about the "weapons of mass
destruction" deal before the war, and wanted more rigorous inspections (maybe
with some elements of the Airborne and Special Forces to supplement Blix's
team) to prove once and for all that Saddam had the things before declaring
that we had to go in and spend American gold and American lives on something
that maybe wasn't absolutely necessary. But nooo... we had to go ahead and
invade some other country, spend $100 billion of *TAXPAYER MONEY* doing this,
only to find... trailers of mass destruction for pumping up artillery
meteorological ballons. And a sniper behind every roof buttress splatting at
least one American soldier per day. Fan-damn-tastic...
Using the U.S. military to protect someone who is not American is, in my
opinion, a waste of taxpayer dollars and a crime against the American people.
I felt the same way when it was Clinton doing it in Bosnia and Kosovo -- that
it was using American taxpayer money to benefit other people, rather than to
benefit the taxpayers. It's the AMERICAN government, dammit, not the Iraqi or
Kosovar or Bosnian government, it's supposed to be taking care of AMERICANS,
dammit, not Iraqis or Kosovars or Bosnians! If we truly want a world
government, then let's fix the United Nations, for cryin' out loud, and make
the *WHOLE WORLD* pay for it. I didn't vote for the President of the World, I
voted for the President of the United States, who, I was deluded into
thinking, was going to serve the people of the UNITED STATES -- not Kosovars,
not Bosnians, not Iraqis, not Afghans.
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That's a good point. The US shouldn't have to pay more than its fair
share (on a per capita basis, e.g.) when it comes to peace keeping,
peace making and necessary wars that benefit the whole world.
I'm not sure what the figures are for peace-keeping operations in
Bosnia and Kosovo (not to mention South Korea), but there are
peacekeepers from many countries in the former two countries at least.
And the peace making operations that ended the war and genocide were
definitely necessary. If the other countries don't have the
sophisticated military hardware to take part in some military
operations, then they should at least pay their fair share of the
cost.
In terms of a world government that can deploy peacekeepers as soon as
they are needed, ideally that would come from the UN. But because of
political differences, that may not always be an option. NATO could
also be a multinational organization that can intervene a lot quicker,
and all member states could fund the operations according to size of
their economies.
In terms of the Iraqi war, the US would have gained a lot wider
support if they would have waited a couple of months for the UN
weapons inspectors to do their job. So it was their virtual
unilateralism that caused them to pay so much for the war. Not to
mention all the costs of "peace keeping" in Iraq and rebuilding the
government, which seem to be getting more costly by the day, including
human lives.
That's another thing. If the war against Iraq was under the UN banner,
including Middle Eastern states, the terrorists probably wouldn't be
able to make much of a point. But since it's the Americans waging war
on an "Islamic" state, there are probably more Al Quida volunteers
coming forward now than there ever were before 9/11. |
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Shaun Rimmer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: Still think hikers and mountain bikers have the same imp |
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David Hoover <hoover@kona.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Funny how late in the evening, or in the very early morning, the beer
takes
over one's typing.
.............and it's THREE types of people dinkhead.
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Hey - you the dinkhead! - This:
"Mountain bikes are for two types of people only, Faggots, Queers, and
Homosexuals."
was a joke, based on a simple but classic formula, much like this one is:
"There are only two kinds of people, those who are stupid, and those who can
count".
Are you American by any chance? - Just asking ',;~}~
Shaun aRe - "Oh, the irony, the flippancy, the sarcasm, the raw humour, the
what where?" |
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: Mike Vanderman is Derek Smart was Re: Why don't mountain |
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LMAO... I remember Derek (not so) Smart from the gaming forums years
ago.. What a complete dickhead.. The first trip in here where I came
across Vandeman, that's the first thing I thought.. but then I thought,
naaahhhhh.. gotta be his twin.
Danny
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| Quote: | I finally understand you. You must be Derek Smart, PhD and all. Don't
lie
about it either, only Mt. Bikers lie.
*plonk*
"Mike Vandeman" <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:19:14 GMT, "Dante Catoni" <vze3gwcn@verizon.net
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.> BS. Even ONE mountain bike kills animals and plants and drives
wildlife
.out of
.> its habitat.
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.Mike almost everything you eat was alive and killed for your
consumption.
So
.why don't you stop eating so that more animals and plants can live?
After you, hypocrite.
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I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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klaus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: Sierra Club sells out!! |
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In rec.skiing.backcountry The Real Bev <bashley@myrealbox.com> wrote:
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Where else should we/they get it? K-Mart?
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Dashi Toshii
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Mountain Biker Tries to Claim that Hikers Do More Damage |
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"Peter H" <pmhilton@mfx.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Dashi Toshii wrote:
"Doug Haxton" <dlhaxton@attbi.com> wrote in
Small animals that I have seen killed or injured by bicycles are snake
and
chipmunks.
To which one might quite rightly point out, "So what?"
Doug
Snakes are beneficial in that they keep the rodent population in check,
chipmunks are cute!
Dashii
Since *some* snakes eat rodents, and your *cute* chipmunk is a
rodent.......
Incidentally, cuteness is not an environmental attribute.
Pete H
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Neither is a lack of a sense of humor!
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Just zis Guy, you know?
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Why don't mountain bikers get it? |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:14:26 -0300, Chris Phillipo
<cphillipo@ramsays-online.coim> wrote:
| Quote: | I'm pretty sure he went the expensive/time consuming route of getting
the most useless and irrelevant degree they had kicking around.
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It seems almost appropriate, given that he's a useless irrelevant
timewaster :-)
Guy
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