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I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Your uncle did time murdering innocent school kids since that is who
most of EOKA's members were.
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So Grivas' terrorist gang had some other name? How come you haven;t
brought this up before?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRGIrzAxMbI
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
The were always seen a heroes. The Brits regarded the people who fought
for America's independence as terrorists, alone with the people of
India, and everyone else who fought for freedom from British colonial rule.
Yer, like painting slogans on walls and throwing eggs at British
soldiers is terrorism.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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gogu wrote:
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imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest of
the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not the
British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world’s conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
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You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there originally
there by accident. They were still there because the Greek Cypriots had
no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish Cypriots and many
still do not, though attitudes are changing among the young.
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Martin Edwards
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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pbowles@aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | On 19 Nov, 09:47, "gogu" <RuminiiSugPu...@Greci.com> wrote:
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imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we Brits
regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a rose
coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest of the
British occupiers were in Cyprus!
Not relevant. Firstly, politics has never been an issue of morality in
any case - national borders and territories are always an act of
historical accident and political convenience; in the case of Cyprus,
the island was ceded to the British by treaty - Britain was never an
"invader".
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of *THEIR*
country the occupiers!
Tricky question - what constitutes "*THEIR* country"? Prior to
independence from Britain in the late 20th Century Cyprus had never
been an independent state, just a part of numerous larger ones - and
by the time of independence from Britain, none of those larger ones
other than Britain still existed. You might as well ask why the Isle
of Wight shouldn't fight to get the "occupiers" out of their
"country".
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not the
British!
Because the British didn't go around assassinating people, conducting
sabotage and attacking media offices? Terrorism has a specific
meaning. Wikipedia:
"Most common definitions of terrorism include only those acts which
are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an
ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately
target or disregard the safety of non-combatants."
Attacking media offices as part of an independence struggle, with a
stated aim of making international headlines qualifies - occupying an
island doesn't. Based on Wikipedia's description of the EOKA's
actions, it's equivocal whether they strictly fit the definition
"deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants", but
this is a pretty artificial distinction in any case - assassinating a
soldier who hasn't had a chance to defend himself isn't any different
practically from assassinating a civilian, and in the specific case of
Cyprus British rule wasn't even based on military occupation.
Restricting his targets to soldiers just seems to have been a spurious
effort for military man Grivas to feel a bit less cowardly about
having people shot in the back - and perhaps, since he wanted to make
international news, because it was more likely to evoke sympathy that
way. There's certainly no sign that he had any particular moral reason
for not targeting civilians.
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the Jews
were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
You mean you're seriously suggesting that blowing up hotels full of
civilians wasn't an act of terrorism? Quite the reverse, it was
terrorism in its most literal sense - the stated objective was to make
the British feel unsafe in order to force them out. It's irrelevant
whether the people involved had a legitimate grievance against a
government. Plenty of people would say that the US has no right to
station military forces in Saudi Arabia. That doesn't imply that
flying planes into buildings is a justified act of reprisal.
And in the US!
Not the case - the term 'terrorist' didn't even exist at the time, and
the British at the time called the American uprising a revolution.
So I am sorry but in the world’s conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
This demonstrates the flaw in your argument by itself - the idea that
invaders/occupiers are synonymous with terrorists is untenable.
Phil
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imipak
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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On Nov 20, 3:53am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
| Quote: | "imipak" <imi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 12:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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There is no peace on Cyprus and there will not be until the Turkish
occupation ends and all Turkish soldiers and Turkish colonists return
to
Turkey and the Greek Cypriots get their land back.
Idiot. There will be no peace there because idiots like you don't want
peace. Turkish Cypriots versus Greek Cypriots. They're as bad as each
other.
GET AN EDUCATION YOU STUPID IGNORANT IMBECILE!
The is no peace because over 40,000 Turkish troops and 160,000 illegal
Turkish mainland colonists are illegally occupied Cyprus territory. This
problem has nothing to do with the Turkish Cyprus. It is a problem of
Turkey
verses Cyprus.
If everyone is descended from the Greeks, as you've claimed, it is
impossible for anyone to illegally occupy territory the Greeks would
claim. The Greeks known as the Turks would be no different and no less
legitimate than the Greeks known as the Greeks. So, which is it? Is
Cyprus illegally occupied OR is your history a work of fiction
intended for propaganda purposes only?
YOU STUPID INSANE IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
Read the resolutions of the United Nations.
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The resolutions of the United Nations weren't written with your view
of history in mind, so are completely irrelevant for the purpose of
deciding if your view of world history is compatible with your view of
events on Cyprus. Your verbal abuse doesn't alter the fact that your
views are contradictory and that you have to choose which one =youthink is actually real. I know which one everyone else thinks is real,
but I want to hear which you are willing to surrender in face of the
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gogu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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| Quote: | gogu wrote:
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest of
the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not the
British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world’s conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
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| Quote: | You are talking about Greek Cypriots.
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I am talking about *all* Cypriots, T/C and G/C.
Both people have the right to live in their land and be governed by their
own government.
| Quote: | The British were there originally there by accident. They were still
there because the Greek Cypriots had no intention of giving equal rights
to the Turkish Cypriots
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I seriously doubt it.
In the first democracy G/C and T/C came to an agreement and the Cyprus
Republic even if short living worked.
It was agreed that the President would be a G/C and the vice-president a
T/C, also many other provisions were taken in order to assure the correct
representation to the 18% of the T/C.
Why that democracy didn't live for a long time is another discussion but you
should look at the extremists of *both* sides...
| Quote: | and many still do not, though attitudes are changing among the young.
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You are wrong!
G/C never had a problem with *T/C*!
They have a problem with the immigrants from the Turkish mainland and that's
understandable.
You would be surprised to know that even...T/C have a problem with them!!! |
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gogu
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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? "imipak" <imipak@yahoo.com> ?????? ??? ??????
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On Nov 19, 12:34 pm, "gogu" <RuminiiSugPu...@Greci.com> wrote:
| Quote: | My point, however, stands and stands unanswered: Is Agamemnon
attempting to use this tragic set of events in order to assert his
(somewhat unique) view of world history?
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| Quote: | Pleeeease, I am not Agamemnon:-)
Oh, I understand that. To you, and other genuine Greek Cypriots
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Well, I am not a Cypriot but a Greek of Pontian (and some Thracian and
Peloponnesian) background;-)
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human intelligence, I will repeat that to have this sort of a
discussion as a result of a twisted and evil action by Agamemnon is a
desecration of all that is sacred and precious, and a violation of the
memory of those who suffered and died.
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| Quote: | Is he trying to use this
event to "prove" that the Greeks are the only rightful masters of the
world?
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| Quote: | Don't you have similar loonies in the UK?!
Yes, but we usually isolate them in the House of Commons where they
can't do any damage.
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Hey, don't forget that he lives in the...UK, so it's "your" duty to provide
with a decent treatment;-)
| Quote: | (We used to isolate them in the House of Lords,
along with next-of-kin, on the theory that insanity was probably
hereditary, but the Republicans in Britain completely missed the point
and wrecked that method.)
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Agamemnon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | gogu wrote:
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imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest of
the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not the
British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world’s conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there originally
there by accident. They were still there because the Greek Cypriots had
no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish Cypriots and many still
do not, though attitudes are changing among the young.
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WHAT A LOAD OF COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
The British gave more rights to the Turkish Cypriot than they gave to the
Greek Cypriots and turned the Greek Cypriots who formed the MAJORITY into
SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their own country. The Turkish Cypriot minority of
18% was given the right to veto all decisions made by the majority and 30%
of all the positions in government and the seats in parliament and 50% of
the positions in the judiciary, most of which they were not even qualified
to do. The illegal constitution the British imposed on Cyprus was completely
unworkable and violated the Universal Deceleration of Human Rights by
discriminating against the Greek Cypriot majority. The Turkish Cypriots who
were controlled by Turkey abused their unjustifiable powers and brought the
entire country into deadlock and then staged a terrorist rebellion, with
arms smuggled to them illegally by the British and Americans. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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"imipak" <imipak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 12:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
| Quote: | "Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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"Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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There is no peace on Cyprus and there will not be until the Turkish
occupation ends and all Turkish soldiers and Turkish colonists return
to
Turkey and the Greek Cypriots get their land back.
Idiot. There will be no peace there because idiots like you don't want
peace. Turkish Cypriots versus Greek Cypriots. They're as bad as each
other.
GET AN EDUCATION YOU STUPID IGNORANT IMBECILE!
The is no peace because over 40,000 Turkish troops and 160,000 illegal
Turkish mainland colonists are illegally occupied Cyprus territory. This
problem has nothing to do with the Turkish Cyprus. It is a problem of
Turkey
verses Cyprus.
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<<<If everyone is descended from the Greeks, as you've claimed, it is
impossible for anyone to illegally occupy territory the Greeks would
claim. The Greeks known as the Turks would be no different and no less
legitimate than the Greeks known as the Greeks. So, which is it? Is
Cyprus illegally occupied OR is your history a work of fiction
intended for propaganda purposes only?>>>
YOU STUPID INSANE IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
Read the resolutions of the United Nations. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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"imipak" <imipak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 20, 3:53 am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
| Quote: | "imipak" <imi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 12:51 pm, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in
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"Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote in message
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There is no peace on Cyprus and there will not be until the Turkish
occupation ends and all Turkish soldiers and Turkish colonists return
to
Turkey and the Greek Cypriots get their land back.
Idiot. There will be no peace there because idiots like you don't want
peace. Turkish Cypriots versus Greek Cypriots. They're as bad as each
other.
GET AN EDUCATION YOU STUPID IGNORANT IMBECILE!
The is no peace because over 40,000 Turkish troops and 160,000 illegal
Turkish mainland colonists are illegally occupied Cyprus territory. This
problem has nothing to do with the Turkish Cyprus. It is a problem of
Turkey
verses Cyprus.
If everyone is descended from the Greeks, as you've claimed, it is
impossible for anyone to illegally occupy territory the Greeks would
claim. The Greeks known as the Turks would be no different and no less
legitimate than the Greeks known as the Greeks. So, which is it? Is
Cyprus illegally occupied OR is your history a work of fiction
intended for propaganda purposes only?
YOU STUPID INSANE IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
Read the resolutions of the United Nations.
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<<<The resolutions of the United Nations weren't written with your view
of history in mind, so are completely irrelevant for the purpose of
deciding if your view of world history is compatible with your view of
events on Cyprus. Your verbal abuse doesn't alter the fact that your
views are contradictory and that you have to choose which one =you=
think is actually real. I know which one everyone else thinks is real,
but I want to hear which you are willing to surrender in face of the
evidence for the other.>>>
GET AN EDUCATION YOU STUPID INSANE IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
The resolutions of the United Nations made it perfectly clear who the
illegal occupier is an who is the victim of illegal aggression, ethnic
cleansing and violations of the UN Charter and the Geneva Convention. |
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"imipak" <imipak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 12:34 pm, "gogu" <RuminiiSugPu...@Greci.com> wrote:
| Quote: | But even so, the numbers are not "comparable" as you may see as the ratio
is
1:3!
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<<<The numbers are so small (hey, I had two great uncles die in World War
I) that ratios don't really tell the whole picture. A shade under
1,500 "missing" on the side of the Greeks, a shade over 500 "missing">>>
YOU STUPID IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
Over 5000 Greek Cypriots were murdered during the Turkish invasion along
with the missing persons you fucking imbecile. Over 1000 Greek Cypriot women
were raped and thousands more were tortured and maimed and 200,000 Greek
Cypriot was brutally ethnically cleansed. Less than 100 Turkish Cypriots
were killed in 1974 in comparison, all of whom were illegal combatants, an
not Turkish Cypriot women were rape no did the Greek Cypriots ethnically
cleansed the Turkish Cypriots.
<<<on the side of the Turks. Yes, that's about 1:3 as a ratio, assuming>>>
Stop trying to justify Turkeys crimes against humanity by attempting to
compare missing persons from the Turkish invasion with the figures of
Turkish terrorists who were killed in battle in the 1960s while ignoring the
Greek Cypriots who were systematically slaughtered by the Turks and the
ethnic cleansing of 1/3 of Cyprus population and the rapes of over 1000
women including underage girls and the savage torture and maiming of
thousands more as if it never happend.
Stop attempting to equate the innocent victim with the brutal aggressor YOU
STINGING PIECE OF SCUM! It wasn't Cyprus which invaded Turkey. It was Turkey
which invaded Cyprus. |
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Ignis Fatuus
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:39:58 +0000, Martin Edwards
<big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Agamemnon wrote:
"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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gogu wrote:
? "Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> ?????? ??? ??????
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imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest
of the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not
the British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the worlds conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there
originally there by accident. They were still there because the Greek
Cypriots had no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish
Cypriots and many still do not, though attitudes are changing among
the young.
WHAT A LOAD OF COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
The British gave more rights to the Turkish Cypriot than they gave to
the Greek Cypriots and turned the Greek Cypriots who formed the MAJORITY
into SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their own country. The Turkish Cypriot
minority of 18% was given the right to veto all decisions made by the
majority and 30% of all the positions in government and the seats in
parliament and 50% of the positions in the judiciary, most of which they
were not even qualified to do. The illegal constitution the British
imposed on Cyprus was completely unworkable and violated the Universal
Deceleration of Human Rights by discriminating against the Greek Cypriot
majority. The Turkish Cypriots who were controlled by Turkey abused
their unjustifiable powers and brought the entire country into deadlock
and then staged a terrorist rebellion, with arms smuggled to them
illegally by the British and Americans.
Yawn
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It's been like this ever since they lost their marbles.
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Martin Edwards
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Agamemnon wrote:
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"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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gogu wrote:
Ο "Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> έγραψε στο μήνυμα
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imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest
of the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not
the British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world’s conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there
originally there by accident. They were still there because the Greek
Cypriots had no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish
Cypriots and many still do not, though attitudes are changing among
the young.
WHAT A LOAD OF COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
The British gave more rights to the Turkish Cypriot than they gave to
the Greek Cypriots and turned the Greek Cypriots who formed the MAJORITY
into SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their own country. The Turkish Cypriot
minority of 18% was given the right to veto all decisions made by the
majority and 30% of all the positions in government and the seats in
parliament and 50% of the positions in the judiciary, most of which they
were not even qualified to do. The illegal constitution the British
imposed on Cyprus was completely unworkable and violated the Universal
Deceleration of Human Rights by discriminating against the Greek Cypriot
majority. The Turkish Cypriots who were controlled by Turkey abused
their unjustifiable powers and brought the entire country into deadlock
and then staged a terrorist rebellion, with arms smuggled to them
illegally by the British and Americans.
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On Nov 20, 10:05am, "Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM> wrote:
| Quote: | "imipak" <imi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 19, 12:34 pm, "gogu" <RuminiiSugPu...@Greci.com> wrote:
But even so, the numbers are not "comparable" as you may see as the ratio
is
1:3!
The numbers are so small (hey, I had two great uncles die in World War
I) that ratios don't really tell the whole picture. A shade under
1,500 "missing" on the side of the Greeks, a shade over 500 "missing"
YOU STUPID IGNORANT DERANGED PIECE OF SHIT!
Over 5000 Greek Cypriots were murdered during the Turkish invasion along
with the missing persons you fucking imbecile. Over 1000 Greek Cypriot women
were raped and thousands more were tortured and maimed and 200,000 Greek
Cypriot was brutally ethnically cleansed. Less than 100 Turkish Cypriots
were killed in 1974 in comparison, all of whom were illegal combatants, an
not Turkish Cypriot women were rape no did the Greek Cypriots ethnically
cleansed the Turkish Cypriots.
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I'm impressed that fewer than 100 "were killed" when five to ten times
that are even now considered "missing, presumed dead" by the United
Nations. Did the Turks invent cloning? Or can we assume you're
spouting revisionist propaganda that has no more basis in reality than
any of your other spoutings?
| Quote: | on the side of the Turks. Yes, that's about 1:3 as a ratio, assuming
Stop trying to justify Turkeys crimes against humanity by attempting to
compare missing persons from the Turkish invasion with the figures of
Turkish terrorists who were killed in battle in the 1960s while ignoring the
Greek Cypriots who were systematically slaughtered by the Turks and the
ethnic cleansing of 1/3 of Cyprus population and the rapes of over 1000
women including underage girls and the savage torture and maiming of
thousands more as if it never happend.
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Since when does calling one person on their crimes "justify" another
person's crimes? You are all guilty of some crime and each should
answer for their own crimes. Murder is murder, regardless of who is
killed or why, and if we are to believe the Christian version of
things, all who have blood on their hands will eventually be called on
it. It is the arrogant justification of homicide by means of "well,
that country was bad first, so all of it's citizens are legitimate
targets" that make me really wish I believed in the Day of Judgment,
where all such illusions and pretension is blown aside and you have to
answer for your actions without recourse to such slime-ridden excuses.
I don't care if you're Turk, Greek or Martian, there is no such thing
as justifiable homicide, there is no such thing as a just war, and
there is no excuse for buying into nationalist, racist histories,
whether they are written by the so-called "winner" or the so-called
"loser". History either happened or it didn't, it cares nothing for
your foolish pride or your pretensions of superiority.
| Quote: | Stop attempting to equate the innocent victim with the brutal aggressor YOU
STINGING PIECE OF SCUM! It wasn't Cyprus which invaded Turkey. It was Turkey
which invaded Cyprus.
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Quite impossible, since you insist everyone is descended from Greece.
You can't invade your own home. Again, which is it? Did Turkey invade
(in which case you admit your history is bullshit) or was it a family
feud amongst Greeks? Besides, the Greeks were hardly innocent.
Military coups rarely are. Don't think others are as blind to your
history as you claim to be.
(The smuggling of fuel and weapons by Greece to Serbia during the
Balkans war didn't escape anyone's attention either. The Greeks
enabled genocide on a scale Cyprus can't even imagine, yet I don't
hear you confessing to the sins of your nation there. Oh no, you're
much too busy being the poor victim to spare a thought for those your
nation has victimized. You're no better than the Japanese who believe
they were innocent victims of American aggression in World War II -
or, indeed, than the Americans who believe they were innocent victims
of the Japanese. It takes two to tango and far more violence in this
world is by mutual consent than the participants will admit to
afterwards.) |
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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On Nov 21, 4:11am, "gogu" <RuminiiSugPu...@Greci.com> wrote:
| Quote: | ? "Ignis Fatuus" <Ig...@fatuusisland.com> ?????? ??? ??????news:2fqci41g2bsv8it9d1f3aokdf5vqpeh4ca@4ax.com...
On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:39:58 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
"Martin Edwards" <big_mart...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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gogu wrote:
? "Martin Edwards" <big_mart...@yahoo.com> ?????? ??? ??????
news:TRPUk.152688$yK5.126632@newsfe24.ams2...
imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest
of the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not
the British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world's conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there
originally there by accident. They were still there because the Greek
Cypriots had no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish
Cypriots and many still do not, though attitudes are changing among
the young.
WHAT A LOAD OF COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
The British gave more rights to the Turkish Cypriot than they gave to
the Greek Cypriots and turned the Greek Cypriots who formed the MAJORITY
into SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their own country. The Turkish Cypriot
minority of 18% was given the right to veto all decisions made by the
majority and 30% of all the positions in government and the seats in
parliament and 50% of the positions in the judiciary, most of which they
were not even qualified to do. The illegal constitution the British
imposed on Cyprus was completely unworkable and violated the Universal
Deceleration of Human Rights by discriminating against the Greek Cypriot
majority. The Turkish Cypriots who were controlled by Turkey abused
their unjustifiable powers and brought the entire country into deadlock
and then staged a terrorist rebellion, with arms smuggled to them
illegally by the British and Americans.
Yawn
It's been like this ever since they lost their marbles.
I was not aware that Cyprus lost any "marbles" but if you say so...
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No, but if Aggy had his way, they'd lose most of their history, being
relegated to merely yet another bunch of refugees from Atlantis. |
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gogu
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: And the final piece of the puzzle is put in place. Daois |
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? "Ignis Fatuus" <Ignis@fatuusisland.com> ?????? ??? ??????
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| Quote: | On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:39:58 +0000, Martin Edwards
big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
"Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Jw8Vk.99320$me2.65510@newsfe11.ams2...
gogu wrote:
? "Martin Edwards" <big_mart_98@yahoo.com> ?????? ??? ??????
news:TRPUk.152688$yK5.126632@newsfe24.ams2...
imipak wrote:
I'll drink to that. My uncle did time against EOKA. At the time we
Brits regarded them purely as terrorists, but they are now seen in a
rose coloured rearview mirror.
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| Quote: | I really fail to see with what *moral* right your uncle and the rest
of the British occupiers were in Cyprus!
I fail to see why the Cypriots wouldn't have to fight to get out of
*THEIR* country the occupiers!
I fail to see why the Cypriots were regarded as terrorists and not
the British!
And don't forget that the same happened in Palestine/Israel where the
Jews were regarded by the British as terrorists, too!
And in the US!
And in many African countries!
So I am sorry but in the world's conscience the British were the
invaders/occupiers/terrorists and not the local people!
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| Quote: | You are talking about Greek Cypriots. The British were there
originally there by accident. They were still there because the Greek
Cypriots had no intention of giving equal rights to the Turkish
Cypriots and many still do not, though attitudes are changing among
the young.
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| Quote: | WHAT A LOAD OF COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT!
The British gave more rights to the Turkish Cypriot than they gave to
the Greek Cypriots and turned the Greek Cypriots who formed the MAJORITY
into SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their own country. The Turkish Cypriot
minority of 18% was given the right to veto all decisions made by the
majority and 30% of all the positions in government and the seats in
parliament and 50% of the positions in the judiciary, most of which they
were not even qualified to do. The illegal constitution the British
imposed on Cyprus was completely unworkable and violated the Universal
Deceleration of Human Rights by discriminating against the Greek Cypriot
majority. The Turkish Cypriots who were controlled by Turkey abused
their unjustifiable powers and brought the entire country into deadlock
and then staged a terrorist rebellion, with arms smuggled to them
illegally by the British and Americans.
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| Quote: | It's been like this ever since they lost their marbles.
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I was not aware that Cyprus lost any "marbles" but if you say so... |
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