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 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and Riverside |
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Drove this for the first time in four months and noticed a few things:
- The HOV lane westbound/northbound is marked with dashed stripes and AFAIK
it's the only HOV lane like that in SoCal -- all other HOV lanes down here
are solid white with or even double solid white or yellow with limited
entrance/exit opportunities every mile or three. I'm ambivalent about this
newfangled "open" style HOV lane... that's a serious downhill grade and one
of the problems out here is that you can get some pretty major speed
differentials between the regular lanes and the HOV lanes. I like the extra
measure of "protection" the solid and double-solid striped lanes afford...
not that it's perfect but I observe that SoCal drivers are MUCH less prone
to cut off traffic in the HOV lane than they are in Phoenix where all the
HOV lanes are dash-striped and drivers can enter anytime.
- They FINALLY have the CA-91/CA-60/I-215/Main St. interchange properly
signed... took em forever and what a disaster it was until they finally put
up the signage...
- Looks to me like they have room for one more lane westbound/northbound,
including under the newly rebuilt bridges... as it is, it's a VERY wide
inside shoulder right now.
- The end result of the rebuilt CA-91/CA-60/I-215/Main St. interchange is
that 2 lanes head westbound on CA-91, 2 lanes head northbound on I-215, one
lane heads west to the Main St. offramp, and only three lanes continue
westbound on CA-60, one of them an HOV lane and only 2 regular lanes. I
don't know what that looks like at rush hour, but I can't help but think
that that will create another bottleneck with the crush of westbound traffic
toward LA in the mornings.
- Now that the work is nearly complete, the whole project looks a lot, lot
better (hardly surprising). The retaining walls are done with interesting
patterns and bas relief artwork along most of the stretch. The curves of
the freeway are aesthetically pleasing as they crest hills and descend
toward UC-Riverside and toward downtown. What was once a nightmare is now a
really enjoyable drive now that the jersey barriers are gone, 9-foot-wide
semi trucks aren't crammed into 11-foot-wide lanes, and there are seldom
traffic backups.
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Cameron Kaiser
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | - The end result of the rebuilt CA-91/CA-60/I-215/Main St. interchange is
that 2 lanes head westbound on CA-91, 2 lanes head northbound on I-215, one
lane heads west to the Main St. offramp, and only three lanes continue
westbound on CA-60, one of them an HOV lane and only 2 regular lanes. I
don't know what that looks like at rush hour, but I can't help but think
that that will create another bottleneck with the crush of westbound traffic
toward LA in the mornings.
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Surprisingly, on my AM runs to Rubidoux I haven't noticed this. Flows
very well. I get your concern, but in practice so far it's not happening.
Overall I'm pretty pleased with District 8's work on this.
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Brent Jonas
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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On Nov 18, 5:53 am, Cameron Kaiser <ckai...@floodgap.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "brink" <brinknos...@hotmail.com> writes:
- The end result of the rebuilt CA-91/CA-60/I-215/Main St. interchange is
that 2 lanes head westbound on CA-91, 2 lanes head northbound on I-215, one
lane heads west to the Main St. offramp, and only three lanes continue
westbound on CA-60, one of them an HOV lane and only 2 regular lanes. I
don't know what that looks like at rush hour, but I can't help but think
that that will create another bottleneck with the crush of westbound traffic
toward LA in the mornings.
Surprisingly, on my AM runs to Rubidoux I haven't noticed this. Flows
very well. I get your concern, but in practice so far it's not happening.
Overall I'm pretty pleased with District 8's work on this.
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personal page:http://www.cameronkaiser..com/
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The carpool lanes along the 22 freeway have dashed white lines from
the mixed-flow lanes. Eventually, most carpool lanes in Orange County
will have open access. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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Cameron Kaiser wrote:
| Quote: | "brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> writes:
- The end result of the rebuilt CA-91/CA-60/I-215/Main St.
interchange is that 2 lanes head westbound on CA-91, 2 lanes head
northbound on I-215, one lane heads west to the Main St. offramp,
and only three lanes continue westbound on CA-60, one of them an HOV
lane and only 2 regular lanes. I don't know what that looks like at
rush hour, but I can't help but think that that will create another
bottleneck with the crush of westbound traffic toward LA in the
mornings.
Surprisingly, on my AM runs to Rubidoux I haven't noticed this. Flows
very well. I get your concern, but in practice so far it's not
happening.
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Good to hear... I thought that it could be at least a future chokepoint as
growth inevitably occurs.
One of the benefits of the housing meltdown and economic crisis as that
traffic has dropped and the growth has really stunted... so I think the
double whammy of lower traffic counts/better freeway has made this a MUCH
improved stretch.
| Quote: | Overall I'm pretty pleased with District 8's work on this.
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The cost overruns (not all their fault) and terrible delays in project
completion (mostly their fault IMO) preclude me from reaching the same
conclusion. As I pointed out, the end result is really nice, but getting
there was really bad.
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Ed-M
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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Any chance a direct ramp from I-215 SB to I-60 EB / I-215 SB will be
constructed? IMO, it is counterintuitive and contrary to FHWA
guidelines to go round a cloverleaf turn to the right to stay on the
Interstate instead of travelling straight ahead in the high speed lane
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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Ed-M wrote:
| Quote: | Any chance a direct ramp from I-215 SB to I-60 EB / I-215 SB will be
constructed? IMO, it is counterintuitive and contrary to FHWA
guidelines to go round a cloverleaf turn to the right to stay on the
Interstate instead of travelling straight ahead in the high speed lane
for the expected left curve.
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It's already done. There is a brand new flyover ramp for the I-215 SB to
CA-60 EB/I-215 SB movement as well as one for CA-60 WB/I-215 NB to CA-91 WB.
You take the ramp via the right lanes, though instead of the left lanes you
wished for above.
Which of course means they did NOT construct ramps for CA-91 EB to CA-60 WB
or CA-60 EB to I-215 NB. I think those movements are still the old
cloveleaf ramps (a little help here, those who know?)
It didn't occur to me until about a year ago that they didn't intend on
making flyover ramps for all the movements, which surprised me. This is
such a high-volume interchange I figured they'd fix it all the way, but I
suppose the routes that did get the flyovers were the REALLY high volume
movements.
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Ralph Herman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:54:35 -0800, brink wrote
(in article <6oj5nhF3upvrU1@mid.individual.net>):
| Quote: | Ed-M wrote:
Any chance a direct ramp from I-215 SB to I-60 EB / I-215 SB will be
constructed? IMO, it is counterintuitive and contrary to FHWA
guidelines to go round a cloverleaf turn to the right to stay on the
Interstate instead of travelling straight ahead in the high speed lane
for the expected left curve.
It's already done. There is a brand new flyover ramp for the I-215 SB to
CA-60 EB/I-215 SB movement as well as one for CA-60 WB/I-215 NB to CA-91 WB.
You take the ramp via the right lanes, though instead of the left lanes you
wished for above.
Which of course means they did NOT construct ramps for CA-91 EB to CA-60 WB
or CA-60 EB to I-215 NB. I think those movements are still the old
cloveleaf ramps (a little help here, those who know?)
It didn't occur to me until about a year ago that they didn't intend on
making flyover ramps for all the movements, which surprised me. This is
such a high-volume interchange I figured they'd fix it all the way, but I
suppose the routes that did get the flyovers were the REALLY high volume
movements.
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It has been my observation that Caltrans does automatically build flyovers
for low volume ramps at freeway junctions. One Caltrans style flyover ramp
can cost tens of millions of dollars, and in many instances a loop ramp will
handle traffic volumes fine.
In District 8, I-15 Northbound has loop ramps to westbound CA 60 and CA 210.
I remember reading that Caltrans designed the interchanges to allow easy
insertion of flyovers if and when traffic volumes justify the cost.
Ralph
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Ralph Herman
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:03:00 -0800, Ralph Herman wrote
(in article <0001HW.C54A05540001AC39B01AD9AF@news.west.earthlink.net>):
| Quote: | On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:54:35 -0800, brink wrote
(in article <6oj5nhF3upvrU1@mid.individual.net>):
Ed-M wrote:
Any chance a direct ramp from I-215 SB to I-60 EB / I-215 SB will be
constructed? IMO, it is counterintuitive and contrary to FHWA
guidelines to go round a cloverleaf turn to the right to stay on the
Interstate instead of travelling straight ahead in the high speed lane
for the expected left curve.
It's already done. There is a brand new flyover ramp for the I-215 SB to
CA-60 EB/I-215 SB movement as well as one for CA-60 WB/I-215 NB to CA-91
WB.
You take the ramp via the right lanes, though instead of the left lanes you
wished for above.
Which of course means they did NOT construct ramps for CA-91 EB to CA-60 WB
or CA-60 EB to I-215 NB. I think those movements are still the old
cloveleaf ramps (a little help here, those who know?)
It didn't occur to me until about a year ago that they didn't intend on
making flyover ramps for all the movements, which surprised me. This is
such a high-volume interchange I figured they'd fix it all the way, but I
suppose the routes that did get the flyovers were the REALLY high volume
movements.
brink
It has been my observation that Caltrans does automatically build flyovers
for low volume ramps at freeway junctions. One Caltrans style flyover ramp
can cost tens of millions of dollars, and in many instances a loop ramp will
handle traffic volumes fine.
In District 8, I-15 Northbound has loop ramps to westbound CA 60 and CA 210.
I remember reading that Caltrans designed the interchanges to allow easy
insertion of flyovers if and when traffic volumes justify the cost.
Ralph
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Sorry, I meant to write Caltrans does NOT automatically build flyovers for |
low volume ramps at freeway junctions. |
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Cameron Kaiser
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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"brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Which of course means they did NOT construct ramps for CA-91 EB to CA-60 WB
or CA-60 EB to I-215 NB. I think those movements are still the old
cloveleaf ramps (a little help here, those who know?)
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They are largely on the same roadbed, but both were reconstructed.
| Quote: | It didn't occur to me until about a year ago that they didn't intend on
making flyover ramps for all the movements, which surprised me. This is
such a high-volume interchange I figured they'd fix it all the way, but I
suppose the routes that did get the flyovers were the REALLY high volume
movements.
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I'm glad they didn't, frankly. As you say, there was enough of an issue
with the pricetag without that.
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personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/
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brink
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 8:57 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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Cameron Kaiser wrote:
| Quote: | "brink" <brinknospam@hotmail.com> writes:
Which of course means they did NOT construct ramps for CA-91 EB to
CA-60 WB or CA-60 EB to I-215 NB. I think those movements are still
the old cloveleaf ramps (a little help here, those who know?)
They are largely on the same roadbed, but both were reconstructed.
It didn't occur to me until about a year ago that they didn't intend
on making flyover ramps for all the movements, which surprised me.
This is such a high-volume interchange I figured they'd fix it all
the way, but I suppose the routes that did get the flyovers were the
REALLY high volume movements.
I'm glad they didn't, frankly. As you say, there was enough of an
issue with the pricetag without that.
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Yeah, so far, so good. Again, I don't get through that intersection enough
to see if it's fixed the problems in all four directions -- and I certainly
avoid it during rush hour -- but from what I've seen it appears to be smooth
sailing these days.
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Steve Sobol
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: CA-60/I-215 improvements between Moreno Valley and River |
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On 2008-11-18, Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser@floodgap.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Surprisingly, on my AM runs to Rubidoux I haven't noticed this. Flows
very well. I get your concern, but in practice so far it's not happening.
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MapQuest now routes me, by default, on 15 to 215 to 15 when I get directions
from San Diego County up to Victorville. It's a nice drive, except for a few
miles of 215 in Murrieta that aren't affected by the Riverside work anyhow.
| Quote: | Overall I'm pretty pleased with District 8's work on this.
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They did a great job.
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