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Vito
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 Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | All you produce is Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt.
And that's bad why? AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or |
one is victimized by it. |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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On Oct 25, 2:48 am, GeneralissimoApeshit
<noloonnoprob...@hushmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | How the fuck would you know what it feels like to do something sane?
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Just do the sane things like riding a bike, or even a motorcycle, and
you'll be all right.
Voting Republican though would be insane.  |
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Tom Keats
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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In article <4905bab6$0$17049$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"Vito" <vito@xxcrosslink.net> writes:
| Quote: | "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote
All you produce is Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt.
And that's bad why?
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Why is /any/ antisocial propaganda bullshit bad?
| Quote: | AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
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<sigh>
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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On Oct 27, 10:13 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Tom Keats wrote:
In article <Jym.19Oct2008.48fba...@scorcher.org>,
Jym Dyer <j...@econet.org> writes:
"Bicycle lane" promoters are either misguided or
anti-cyclist.
=v= That statement represents an ideology, not a consensus.
Many "real" bicyclists quite reasonable hold other opinions.
I don't mind intelligently-applied bike lanes that solve
localized problems such as poor sightlines. In fact I
rather appreciate them.
Separate but equal is never equal. Motorists need to accommodate
cyclists on the proper roads, or be banned from driving.
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Do you think we will ever find THE SOLUTION before we finally trash
the planet?
At this rate it will take us one century to find the solution, and
another to do something about it.
It's either BIKE LANES or TRAFFIC TAMING, stupid! |
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Vito
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
sigh
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
They showed such a man on a true TV crime show. A criminal had been breaking |
into couples' homes, tying up the man then brutally raping the woman right
in front of him. It got so bad they held a neighborhood meeting. One
attendee who could see through the FUD and wondered how a man could let such
a thing happen. The next night he found out. |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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On Oct 28, 11:12 am, "Vito" <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Tom Keats" <tkeats2...@hotmail.com> wrote>> AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
sigh
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
They showed such a man on a true TV crime show. A criminal had been breaking
into couples' homes, tying up the man then brutally raping the woman right
in front of him. It got so bad they held a neighborhood meeting. One
attendee who could see through the FUD and wondered how a man could let such
a thing happen. The next night he found out.
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You have to walk a fine line between living in fear and becoming a
couch potato, and being stupid and riding a bike among reckless
drivers.
I don't think the 6o'clock news is the real world, but neither is to
ignore what's going on in the jungle, and bike happily as if you were
in Holland. |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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(Finally common sense is prevailing in other forums. When will we have
some here?)
Originally Posted by -=£em in Pa=-
"Anyone who has spent time in THE JUNGLE knows a VICIOUS, hungry LION
cannot be tamed. Separate PATHS for the MONKEYS."
Yep, that's common sense among the monkeys. When is the world going to
be ruled by COMMON SENSE, and not the views of the lion? Only with the
revolution, of course... ;)
(And remember they never go in the jungle without a banana!) |
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BrianNZ
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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KingOfTheApes wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 28, 11:12 am, "Vito" <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2...@hotmail.com> wrote>> AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
sigh
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
They showed such a man on a true TV crime show. A criminal had been breaking
into couples' homes, tying up the man then brutally raping the woman right
in front of him. It got so bad they held a neighborhood meeting. One
attendee who could see through the FUD and wondered how a man could let such
a thing happen. The next night he found out.
You have to walk a fine line between living in fear and becoming a
couch potato, and being stupid and riding a bike among reckless
drivers.
I don't think the 6o'clock news is the real world, but neither is to
ignore what's going on in the jungle, and bike happily as if you were
in Holland.
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So, you are not in a jungle, you are in a cage! A free king could live
where the wanted. |
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Tom Keats
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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In article <49072be9$0$17051$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"Vito" <vito@xxcrosslink.net> writes:
| Quote: | "Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote
AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
sigh
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
They showed such a man on a true TV crime show. A criminal had been breaking
into couples' homes, tying up the man then brutally raping the woman right
in front of him. It got so bad they held a neighborhood meeting. One
attendee who could see through the FUD and wondered how a man could let such
a thing happen. The next night he found out.
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A few posts upthread (in fact, in your most immediately previous post
upthread,) in response to:
| Quote: | "There's no doubt that car drivers need to clean up their act.
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you stated:
| Quote: | No, the answer is to ban cycles from public roads just as they are now
banned from interstate highways.
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Obviously FUD works for you and your agendum.
To selectively ban users from /public/ roads renders those roads
no longer public, but exclusive. E-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-e, as in certain
hoity-toity country clubs, and clots of self-made, self-styled
boneheads like fascist skinheads.
So, FUD works for you, and this stoopid post of yours to which
I'm replying certainly indicates you work for it.
Let someone ride a bicycle on a public road, and the next thing
you know, they're raping your wife.
Yeah, right.
Incidentally and FYI, bicycles are /not/ blanketly banned from
all interstate highways.
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Nothing is safe from me.
I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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On Oct 28, 6:43 pm, BrianNZ <br...@itnz.co.nz> wrote:
| Quote: | KingOfTheApes wrote:
On Oct 28, 11:12 am, "Vito" <v...@xxcrosslink.net> wrote:
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2...@hotmail.com> wrote>> AFAIK one either produces Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt or
one is victimized by it.
sigh
Yeah. Except for those who can see FUD for the bullshit
razmatazz it is. So it's not the simple-minded, either/or,
binary thing you portray it to be.
They showed such a man on a true TV crime show. A criminal had been breaking
into couples' homes, tying up the man then brutally raping the woman right
in front of him. It got so bad they held a neighborhood meeting. One
attendee who could see through the FUD and wondered how a man could let such
a thing happen. The next night he found out.
You have to walk a fine line between living in fear and becoming a
couch potato, and being stupid and riding a bike among reckless
drivers.
I don't think the 6o'clock news is the real world, but neither is to
ignore what's going on in the jungle, and bike happily as if you were
in Holland.
So, you are not in a jungle, you are in a cage! A free king could live
where the wanted.- Hide quoted text -
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The lion king is free but the monkey is in the cage!
"The wild, cruel beast is not behind the bars of the cage. He is in
front of it" -Axel Munthe |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: ONE QUICK WAY to solve the problem |
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Originally Posted by closetbiker
"not just infrastructure, training drivers as well.
Licensing for motorists includes testing for knowledge on the rights
and respect of cyclists."
Yes, I totally agree. But there's ONE QUICK WAY to solve the
problem... ENFORCEMENT!
And WHO can change the tolerance toward reckless drivers? Right, the
politicians!
So as first law of the revolution I'd fire all politicians, and then
make them commute by bike one day a week before returning them to
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
"I think traffic taming works. In Miami, some of the more expensive
neighborhoods have gotten laws passed to put traffic circles at
intersections along long stretches of narrow two lane streets that
were being used as alternative commuttewr routes.
These are an absolute joy to bicycle on. The roundabouts have chased
away most of the traffic because its hard to get around the
roundabouts in a car since they are so small, and roundabouts are
great because you don't have to stop, so you can keep uo your
momentum."
Yeah, but remember these are the lions of the jungle that can change
the laws and do whatever they please. No such luck in the jungle
ghetto. SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST! Monkeys are fair game.
Not in their neighborhoods. They even block their own fancy
neighborhoods to traffic... and bikes! There's one such road block
nearby where I live, and they make sure to block even the smallest
space for the bike to squeeze by, and you have to go around it on the
more dangerous road.
That's another characteristic of the jungle... EVERYONE TO HIMSELF! |
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KingOfTheApes
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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(A parting shot? It sounds like one)
Originally Posted by Bekologist
"Some of the 'bike advocates' in america are overtly in collusion with
the auto lobby to perpetuate autocentric desires that help stunt bike
participation by continuing to predicate a 'cars first' approach to
city streetscape design."
Thank you again for reiterating something I noticed a long time ago...
In the car forums they are more open to bikes than in the bike forums.
They understand, for example, the need for bike lanes, and relate to
the argument that more bikes means fewer cars on the road, and thus
fewer traffic jams.
The bike saboteurs put obstacles all the way to impede any progress.
NO BIKE LANES, NO TRAFFIC TAMING --AND NO REVOLUTION.
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WHY THE BANANA REVOLUTION?
(home of the Dutch model!)
http://webspawner.com/users/bananarevolution |
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Tom Keats
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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In article <35537baa-6b7a-400e-ae91-1bd51e08b05c@d31g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
KingOfTheApes <comandante.banana@yahoo.com> writes:
| Quote: | (A parting shot? It sounds like one)
Originally Posted by Bekologist
"Some of the 'bike advocates' in america are overtly in collusion with
the auto lobby to perpetuate autocentric desires that help stunt bike
participation by continuing to predicate a 'cars first' approach to
city streetscape design."
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Such as /you/, who are so desirous of sustaining an "us vs them"
warfare instead of a "we" cooperation.
| Quote: | Thank you again for reiterating something I noticed a long time ago...
In the car forums they are more open to bikes than in the bike forums.
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Well, at least sometimes your disinformation is amusing.
| Quote: | They understand, for example, the need for bike lanes,
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Non-riders (such as yourself) who want bike lanes everywhere,
want them for only one reason -- to force bikes out of the
(perceived) ways of cars. In this, I'm sure John Forester
was right.
| Quote: | and relate to
the argument that more bikes means fewer cars on the road, and thus
fewer traffic jams.
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It seems many car forums people want bikes off the roads entirely
because they see riders as obstacles to their self-centred haste.
In truth, in most cases the rider moves a little right, the
overtaking driver moves a little left -- no sweat. But you're
so compelled to make mountains of molehills.
| Quote: | The bike saboteurs put obstacles all the way to impede any progress.
NO BIKE LANES, NO TRAFFIC TAMING --AND NO REVOLUTION.
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Complaining about being called on your BS propaganda, eh?
Squirm, worm, squirm.
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I'm really at:
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Vito
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Cyclist at war! |
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"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote
| Quote: | Such as /you/, who are so desirous of sustaining an "us vs them"
warfare instead of a "we" cooperation.
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Montgomery County Maryland spent many taxpayer dollars building bicycle only
trails through nice parks. Never the less, a club of some 40 riders would
truck out to rural roads two-lane every weekend to ride 3 and 4 abreast,
blocking traffic for miles. Thanks to them I still have an Us vs Them
attitude.
I've never seen that in Florida. Many streets have exclusive bicycle lanes
and riders travel singley or in pairs, strung out to let traffic past.
Thanks to them I haven't gone jousting for years. |
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