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yod-yog+ais
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 Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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On 10/17/2008 7:14 AM Dave Smith ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:
| Quote: | A few years ago I went to Europe with my brothers, both of whom love
beer, and we drank local beers throughout Denmark, Germany and France.
They ranked Carlsburg Elephant beer number one, Bittenburg number two
and 1664 in third spot. FWIW, it is brewed in Strasbourg, so it's more
of a German beer than French.
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Wow. That's sad. Boring Eurofizz, the lot of them, not to mention that
there's no such thing as "Bittenburg" - you probably meant "Bitburger
Pils," a popular mass-market Pilsner lager sold in the western part of
Germany.
But Carlsberg Elephant? Sad. So sad. Far better coming from the likes
of Mikkeller, Skands, Jacobsen, WinterCoat, and so many others. Same
goes for Germany; if Bitburger Pils was the best you had there, you
didn't even scratch the outermost layer of good German beer. Same goes
for Kronenbourg 1664: mass-produced Alsatian fizz-water from a giant
beer factory, but what makes it "more of a German beer than French?". I
hope for your sake you get to go back and discover what truly local beer
(as opposed to mass-produced national brands) is like. Otherwise, you
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Graz
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:54:59 -0700, yod-yog+ais
<"d?g+s=1ne3.ree,zero.null=0="@=gh_mhaei|l.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On 10/17/2008 3:00 AM Magiel Venema ignored two million years of human=20
evolution to write:
Probably you have never been to France, otherwise you should know about=
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the Alsace with is Kronenbourg, 33 and 1664 and many more. But it is=20
probably too sophisticated to your tase.
If these are the best examples of French beer you can come up with, you
have no business talking about sophistication or taste. They're all
typical boring, flabby, unexceptional lagers.
There is far better to be had in France. I'd much rather drink a nice
bi=E9re de garde from the Nord Pas-de-Calais region than any dull mass-
produced lager from a giant Alsatian beer factory. Jenlain, 3 Monts,
and St. Armand beat anything you'll get from the likes of Kronenbourg
or Pelforth.
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St Omer. LOL |
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Brian K
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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On 10/18/2008 10:31 AM Graz did a "happy dance", then made these writings:
| Quote: | On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:54:59 -0700, yod-yog+ais
"d?g+s=1ne3.ree,zero.null=0="@=gh_mhaei|l.com> wrote:
On 10/17/2008 3:00 AM Magiel Venema ignored two million years of human=20
evolution to write:
Probably you have never been to France, otherwise you should know about=
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the Alsace with is Kronenbourg, 33 and 1664 and many more. But it is=20
probably too sophisticated to your tase.
If these are the best examples of French beer you can come up with, you
have no business talking about sophistication or taste. They're all
typical boring, flabby, unexceptional lagers.
There is far better to be had in France. I'd much rather drink a nice
bi=E9re de garde from the Nord Pas-de-Calais region than any dull mass-
produced lager from a giant Alsatian beer factory. Jenlain, 3 Monts,
and St. Armand beat anything you'll get from the likes of Kronenbourg
or Pelforth.
St Omer. LOL
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Gregory Morrow
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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Magical Enema sprayed:
| Quote: | Probably you have never been to France, otherwise you should know about
the Alsace with is Kronenbourg, 33 and 1664 and many more. But it is
probably too sophisticated to your tase.
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I guess you are "too sophisticated" to know how to properly quote, eh
wot...???
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Greg
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we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
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Hackamore
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:06 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
| Quote: | Runge13 blabbles:
Well you didn't look hard enough
"Bier '33' "
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I've always thought of that as vietnamese beer
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Runge13
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: Re: the morrow Attitude |
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Nothing else to add, enema morrow ?
"Gregory Morrow" <yyiqyy@yoopp.fi> a écrit dans le message de
news:qaGdnWdzgIHuwWfVnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@earthlink.com...
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Magical Enema sprayed:
Probably you have never been to France, otherwise you should know about
the Alsace with is Kronenbourg, 33 and 1664 and many more. But it is
probably too sophisticated to your tase.
I guess you are "too sophisticated" to know how to properly quote, eh
wot...???
--
Best
Greg
" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to claim
that
we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking
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Runge13
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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Of course not.
morrow travels from his couch and thinks he knows best.
"yod-yog+ais" <"d?g+s=1ne3.ree,zero.null=0="@=gh_mhaei|l.com> a écrit dans
le message de news:6lt4c6Fe46vlU2@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | On 10/16/2008 10:27 PM Hackamore ignored two million years of human
evolution to write:
here (north edge of the Mississippi Delta) I either go to the local
brew-pub where I'll get their absolutely delicious porter this time of
year...
Memphis? Boscos (or is that Nashville)?
or a local free house with an impressive domestic microbrew selection
(and import draft)
Flying Saucer?
where I'd like to find good domestic beer is France...
Depends on where you are in France. There are a number of good
specialist breweries and even a few brewpubs, including the
Trois Brasseurs group. There are quite a few good specialist
beer bars too, and Belgian beer is also easy to find. I've
never had difficulty finding decent beer, domestic or otherwise,
in France.
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Hackamore
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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| Quote: | here (north edge of the Mississippi Delta) I either go to the local
brew-pub where I'll get their absolutely delicious porter this time of
year...
Memphis? Boscos (or is that Nashville)?
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Hi,
the first bosco's was here (it's closed but midtown is lively) in
Memphis though there is a Nashville location.
memphis has I think 3 brew pubs these days.
| Quote: | or a local free house with an impressive domestic microbrew selection
(and import draft)
Flying Saucer?
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in my case the one in Germantown...
I find their food lacking...
I can manage to snack at it but it doesn't really thrill me...
Maybe I'm just spoiled by the calimari or the garlic cheese fries at
bosco's.
| Quote: | where I'd like to find good domestic beer is France...
Depends on where you are in France. There are a number of good
specialist breweries and even a few brewpubs, including the
Trois Brasseurs group. There are quite a few good specialist
beer bars too, and Belgian beer is also easy to find. I've
never had difficulty finding decent beer, domestic or otherwise,
in France.
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finding good beer has never been a problem...
I've just never had good french beer...
and sometimes the border is so close it's silly... like Chimay... just
BARELY across into Belgium but great beer.
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Hackamore
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:46 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
| Quote: | Hackamore wrote:
where I'd like to find good domestic beer is France...
No problem in Amsterdam eh Frank?
Have you frequented 't Arendsnest, with 200 beers?
http://www.arendsnest.nl/
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I don't have any problems with beer in Amsterdam...
I may have been in it... hit a place 1 night that had a HUGE
selection... but it's not on my regulars list.
My 2 favorites are the Cafe de Dam right off dam square on damstraat...
TINY little place but friendly....a Heineken bar... but has the bock
too... and sells enough of both that they're nice and fresh (fresh beer
is good beer) and Cafe Zwart on Spui... a little nicer but still a
friendly traditional place... CZ a lot more "dutch" the tourists flock
to Hoppe a few feet away.
I've hardly ever had a bad dutch beer... with the exception of a whit
beir(sp?) I had one time... not to be confused with a wheat beer... this
stuff was WHITE and served with fruit.
But yea... in Amsterdam I'll get whatever is on tap... a dekoning(sp?)
if they have it but otherwise whatever is on tap as the regular draft is
just fine.
I'm going to make it a point next spring to go to the IJ ? I think it
is... a brew-pub with strange hours and nowhere near a tramline... I'll
bike it.
in the UK I generally see a wider selection though I'm guessing it's
like the US and what I'm seeing is one brewery's product line... still
I'll get a pint of whatever I haven't had before... generally I like
porters and stouts and shy away from IPA type stuff.
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| Quote: | ==>> Hackamore <<==
http://www.hackamore.com/ |
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Alan Follett
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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nobody@anywhere.com (Hackamore) wrote:
| Quote: | Gregory Morrow wrote:
Runge13 blabbles:
Well you didn't look hard enough
"Bier '33' "
I've always thought of that as
vietnamese beer
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33 (Ba Moui Ba) was and is primarily a Vietnamese label, dating back to
French colonial times, but it's also produced in Alsace under license by
Heineken. Even the brewery in Vietnam is now in the hands of a Heineken
subsidiary. Due to trade restrictions, for many years only
French-production 33 was available in the US market, but beginning in
the late 1980's the Vietnamese-production stuff has also been showing up
here, though not in very large quantities.
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Mike O'Sullivan
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: Re: French Attitude |
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Hackamore wrote:
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My 2 favorites are the Cafe de Dam right off dam square on damstraat...
TINY little place but friendly....a Heineken bar... but has the bock
too... and sells enough of both that they're nice and fresh (fresh beer
is good beer) and Cafe Zwart on Spui... a little nicer but still a
friendly traditional place... CZ a lot more "dutch" the tourists flock
to Hoppe a few feet away.
I've hardly ever had a bad dutch beer... with the exception of a whit
beir(sp?) I had one time... not to be confused with a wheat beer... this
stuff was WHITE and served with fruit.
But yea... in Amsterdam I'll get whatever is on tap... a dekoning(sp?)
if they have it but otherwise whatever is on tap as the regular draft is
just fine.
I'm going to make it a point next spring to go to the IJ ? I think it
is... a brew-pub with strange hours and nowhere near a tramline... I'll
bike it.
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This one?
http://www.europeanbeerguide.net/amspubs5.htm#ij |
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Sydney Gondomer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: Re: OT Black On White Rape Rates In The U.S On Par With That |
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<cccccdfgdfgdgdfg@googlemail.com> wrote:
Black crime rates against White people are many times greater than
| Quote: | White crimes against Blacks. You wouldn’t know it by reading or
listening to America’s mass media. Saturation national and
international news coverage is given to the very few White cross-race
crimes against Blacks such as the James Byrd dragging case in Texas,
as well as the media-hyped Tawana Brawley case in New Jersey and the
alleged rape of a Black stripper by White lacrosse team members at
Duke University. Both of those latter cases, after months of front-
page, sensationalized coverage decrying “White racism,” turned out to
be complete hoaxes.
There is an incredible disproportionate rate of Black crimes against
Whites in contrast to White crimes against Blacks. Per capita Black
cross racial crimes of 50 or even 100 percent greater than Whites
would be bad enough, but the Black crime rates against Whites are
actually many times greater than White on Black crimes. Blacks are an
estimated 57 (that is 5,700 percent!) times more likely to commit
violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times (13,600
percent!) more likely to commit robbery. (see the color of crime
report published by the New Century Foundation – an analysis of crime
figures taken from official Justice Department crime reports)
http://www.nc-f.org/
Perhaps the most shocking of all the crime data dealing with cross-
race crime is the incredible rate of crime by Black males against
White women. According to U.S. Justice Department figures over 34,460
White women are sexually assaulted or raped by Black men each year,
and most authorities believe that the actual rape figures are at least
twice the reported number. In perhaps the most shocking crime figure
of all is the number of White rapes against Black women.
Statistically, it is 0! Because they have fewer than 10 cases
nationally.
http://www.newsnet14.com/2008/03/09/david-duke-the-racial-murder-and-rape-of-white-women-in-america/
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The Color of Deception:
Race, Crime and Sloppy Social Science
By Tim Wise
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/colorofdeception.html
PhD Tim Wise The Wisest Caucasoid to ever walk the Earth.
http://tinyurl.com/6xkldh
Published on ZNet, www.zmag.org, 11/19/04. Note: This rebuttal refers
to the original Color of Crime Report by American Renaissance. A newer
version of the report was recently released, and as such, a newer
rebuttal will be forthcoming shortly, though the analysis herein is
still applicable.
"A lie can travel half-way around the world while the truth is still
pulling on its boots."
Although this truism was penned long before the Internet, there is
little doubt but that in the modern era, it has become more prescient
than its author could ever have imagined.
When it comes to fast-moving lies, few can top one that has been
distributed by white supremacists for the past several years. It is
probably the most popular piece of racist propaganda in existence
today, and because it relies on official government data, it comes
across as sober, intelligent social science, rather than as the
compendium of nonsense it happens to be.
The screed to which I refer is The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and
Violence in America, by white nationalist, Jared Taylor. Taylor is the
publisher of the racist magazine, American Renaissance, and host of an
annual conference, which attracts open neo-Nazis as well as a gaggle
of academicians who proclaim black genetic inferiority. According to
Taylor, there are several "facts" about crime that have been hidden
from view by the civil rights community. Among them:
-- Blacks are much more dangerous than whites as evidenced by higher
crime rates;
--Black criminals usually choose white victims and are far more likely
to victimize whites than whites are to victimize blacks (both for
regular violent crimes and hate crimes);
--Black crime rates justify racial profiling, since it only makes
sense to focus law enforcement attention on those who commit a
disproportionate share of crime; and finally,
--The interracial crime data makes white fear of African Americans
perfectly rational.
But a close examination of these arguments proves that Taylor and his
followers are either statistically illiterate, or knowingly deceive
for political effect.
First, as for the disproportionate rate of violent crime committed by
blacks, economic conditions explain the difference with white crime
rates. According to several studies, when community and personal
economic status is comparable between whites and blacks, there are no
significant racial crime differences (1). In other words, the implicit
message of Taylor's report -- that blacks are dangerous because they
are black -- is insupportable.
Secondly, to claim that blacks are more dangerous than whites because
of official crime rates, is to ignore that when it comes to everyday
threats to personal well-being, whites far and away lead the pack in
all kinds of destructive behaviors: corporate pollution, consumer
fraud, violations of health and safety standards on the job, and
launching wars on the basis of deceptive evidence, to name a few. Each
year, far more people die because of corporate malfeasance,
occupational health violations and pollution than all the street crime
combined, let alone street crime committed by African Americans (2).
Stoking Fears About Interracial Crime -- A Look at How Racists Do Math
Next, Taylor claims that most victims of black violent crime are
white, and thus, that blacks are violently targeting whites.
Furthermore, since only a small share of the victims of white
criminals are black (only 4.4 percent in 2002, for example), this
means that blacks are far more of a threat to whites than vice-versa.
But there are several problems with these claims.
To begin with, the white victim totals in the Justice Department's
victimization data include those termed Hispanic by the Census, since
nine in ten Latino/as are considered racially white by government
record-keepers. Since Latinos and Latinas tend to live closer to
blacks than non-Hispanic whites, this means that many "white" victims
of "black crime" are Latino or Latina, and that in any given year, the
majority of black crime victims would be people of color, not whites.
But even if we compute the white totals as Taylor does, without
breaking out Hispanic victims of "black crime," his position is
without merit. In 2002, whites, including Latinos, were about 81.5
percent of the population (3). That same year, whites (including
Latinos) were 51 percent of the victims of violent crimes committed by
blacks, meaning that whites were victimized by blacks less often than
would have been expected by random chance, given the extent to which
whites were available to be victimized (4).
As for the claim that blacks victimize whites at rates that are far
higher than the reverse, though true, this statistic is meaningless,
for a few obvious but overlooked reasons, first among them the simple
truth that if whites are more available as potential victims, we would
naturally expect black criminals to victimize whites more often than
white criminals would victimize blacks. Examining data from 2002,
there were indeed 4.5 times more black-on-white violent crimes than
the reverse (5). While this may seem to support Taylor's position, it
actually destroys it, because the interracial crime gap, though
seemingly large, is smaller than random chance would have predicted.
The critical factor ignored by Taylor is the extent to which whites
and blacks encounter each other in the first place. Because of ongoing
racial isolation and de facto segregation, the two group's members do
not encounter one another at rates commensurate with their shares of
the population: a fact that literally torpedoes the claims in The
Color of Crime.
As sociologist Robert O'Brian has noted (using Census data), the odds
of a given white person (or white criminal for that matter)
encountering a black person are only about three percent. On the other
hand, the odds of a given black person (or black criminal)
encountering a white person are nineteen times greater, or fifty-seven
percent (6), meaning the actual interracial victimization gap between
black-on-white and white-on-black crime is smaller than one would
expect. In 2002, blacks committed a little more than 1.2 million
violent crimes, while whites committed a little more than three
million violent crimes (7). If each black criminal had a 57 percent
chance of encountering (and thus potentially victimizing) a white
person, this means that over the course of 2002, blacks should have
been expected to victimize roughly 690,000 whites. But in truth,
blacks victimized whites only 614,176 times that year ( . Conversely,
if each white criminal had only a three percent chance of encountering
and thus victimizing a black person, this means that over the course
of 2002, whites would have been expected to victimize roughly 93,000
blacks. But in truth, whites victimized blacks 135,931 times: almost
50 percent more often than would be expected by random chance (9).
Indeed, given relative crime rates as well as rates of interracial
encounter, random chance would have predicted the ratio of
black-on-white to white-on-black victimization at roughly 7.4 to one.
Yet, as the data makes clear, there were only 4.5 times more
black-on-white crimes than white-on-black crimes in 2002. In other
words, given encounter ratios, black criminals victimize whites less
often than could be expected, while white criminals victimize blacks
more often than could be expected.
Lies About Hate Crimes -- More Fun With Racist Math
Taylor's claims regarding hate crimes are even more ridiculous. So,
for example, The Color of Crime asserts that blacks commit a
disproportionate share of racial and ethnic hate crimes against
whites, while white-on-black hate crimes are far less frequent. But
the data simply doesn't support such a claim.
From 1995-2000, blacks were 65 percent of racial and ethnic hate-crime
victims, while whites were 21 percent of such victims (10). Adjusted
for population, any given black person was nearly twenty times more
likely to be the victim of a racially motivated hate crime than any
given white. In 2001, there were approximately 4.6 times more
white-on-black than black-on-white hate crimes (11), despite the fact
that whites were between six and seven times more available in the
population to become victims. Considering that blacks are much more
likely to encounter whites than vice-versa, this last statistic is
especially alarming. After all, if blacks are nineteen times more
likely to encounter whites than whites are to encounter blacks, any
given black person would have nineteen times more opportunities to
commit an anti-white hate crime than a white person would have to
commit an anti-black hate crime.
Since blacks are roughly one-sixth the size of the non-Hispanic white
population, in order to determine the expected ratio of black-on-white
hate crimes relative to white-on-black hate crimes given random
chance, one must multiply the 19:1 black-on-white encounter ratio by
one-sixth. Once this computation is made, we find that differential
rates of encounter and population availability would predict that if
levels of racial hatred were equal between whites and blacks, and the
willingness to commit a hate crime were equal between the two groups,
in any given year there should be 3.15 times more black-on-white hate
crimes than white-on-black hate crimes. That in truth there are nearly
five times more white-on-black hate crimes than the reverse suggests
that blacks are much less likely to commit an anti-white hate crime
than would be expected and whites are far more likely to commit an
anti-black hate crime than would be expected.
White Fear of Blacks -- The Height of Irrationality
Of course, above and beyond the mere statistical chicanery at the
heart of Taylor's report, the larger point is that for Taylor and
other racists to claim that black-on-white crime data justifies white
fear of African Americans, or racial profiling by police is sheer
ignorance.
Criminologists estimate that seventy percent of all crimes are
committed by just seven percent of the offenders (12): a small bunch
of repeat offenders who commit the vast majority of crimes. Since
blacks committed roughly 1.2 million violent crimes in 2002, if
seventy percent of these were committed by seven percent of the black
offenders, this would mean that at most there were perhaps 390,000
individual black offenders that year (13). In a population of 29.3
million over the age of twelve, this would represent no more than 1.3
percent of the black population that committed a violent crime in
2002. Since fewer than half of these would have chosen a non-Hispanic
white victim (as noted previously), this means that less than
seven-tenths of one percent of the black population would have
victimized a white person in 2002: hardly the kind of fact that would
warrant white fear of blacks as a group.
Furthermore, since whites were victimized 2.9 million times by other
whites in 2002 (compared to roughly 614,000 times by blacks), this
means that whites are 4.7 times more likely to be victimized by
another white person than by a black person (14). Thus, if crime data
can justify white fear of blacks, it would also require whites to be
terrified of white neighbors, co-workers, family and white strangers,
for these are the folks most likely to victimize us.
The Absurdity of Profiling
As for profiling, Taylor insists that because of higher black crime
rates, it only makes good sense to focus police efforts on the black
community. But this is demonstrably ludicrous. If, as the Justice
Department data suggests, blacks commit somewhere between 25-30
percent of violent crime in most years (23 percent in 2002), to
profile blacks for crime will result in police being wrong, between
70-75 percent of the time (15). And of course, profiling is not the
typical method for uncovering serious already-committed crimes anyway,
since solving such crimes logically involves using incident-specific
information. Profiling is, instead, too often done as a way to uncover
crimes, such as drug possession, that have yet to come to police
attention.
As for drugs, there can be no doubt that profiling is irrational.
According to federal data, blacks are only 13.5 percent of drug users,
while non-Hispanic whites are over 70 percent of users (16). So to
profile blacks for drugs is to guarantee little success in actually
uncovering drug crimes.
Conclusion -- Why Bother Responding to Professional Racists?
Some may wonder whether it makes sense to spend so much time and
energy responding to the claims of someone who openly consorts with
neo-Nazis, and whose agenda is so blatantly racist in nature. Though
it would be nice not to have to respond to such silliness, the fact
is, Taylor and his report have been cited approvingly by conservative
columnists and talking heads, from Walter Williams, to David Horowitz,
to the folks at the National Review, to Vanderbilt Law professor,
Carol Swain.
What's more, with studies suggesting that white perceptions of black
criminality play a prominent role in furthering racism, both
attitudinally and institutionally (in terms of support for racially
disparate and draconian crime policies), refuting this kind of
foolishness carries with it important personal and policy implications
as well.
However unappealing it may be to have to answer the racist claims of
bigots and fascists, the fact remains that given the appeal of racist
logic to so many, and given the strength of institutional racism as a
defining force in American life, we can hardly afford the luxury of
ignoring such positions, so as to "not give them legitimacy." The sad
fact is that racism already enjoys plenty of legitimacy, with or
without a rebuttal. Ignoring this reality isn't likely to diminish its
strength, but responding to it forcefully might, at the very least,
dissuade impressionable minds from accepting the twisted logic offered
by the racist right.
NOTES:
1. L.J. Krivo and R.D. Peterson, "Extremely Disadvantaged
Neighborhoods and Urban Crime," Social Forces 75(2) (December 1996);
Barbara Chasin. Inequality and Violence in the United States. (NJ:
Humanities Press International, 1997).
2. Jeffrey Reiman. ...And the Poor Get Prison: Economic Bias in
American Criminal Justice. (Boston: Allyn and Bacon, 1996); Lisa
Cullen. A Job to Die For: Why So Many Americans are Killed, Injured or
Made Ill at Work, and What to Do About It. (Monroe, ME: Common Courage
Press, 2002).
3. U.S. Bureau of the Census, Statistical Abstracts of the United
States, 2003. Table No. 14: 16.
4. United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics,
Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2002, Statistical Tables,
(U.S. Department of Justice, 2004), tables 40, 42, 46 and 48, and
calculations by the author.
5. Ibid.
6. Robert O'Brian. "The Interracial Nature of Violent Crimes: A
Reexamination." American Journal of Sociology 92(6) (1987).
7. United States Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics,
Criminal Victimization in the United States, 2002, Statistical Tables,
(U.S. Department of Justice, 2004), tables 40, 42, 46 and 48, and
calculations by the author.
8. Ibid.
9. Ibid.
10. United States Department of Justice, FBI Uniform Crime Reports,
"Hate Crime Statistics," (various years, 1995-2000), and calculations
by the author.
11. United States Department of Justice, FBI Uniform Crime Reports,
2002, "Hate Crime Statistics, 2001."
12. Peter Greenwood and Alan Abrahamse. Selective Incapacitation
(Santa Monica, CA: Rand Corporation, 1982); Todd Clear, "Backfire:
When Incarceration Increases Crime," Oklahoma Criminal Justice
Research Center, at:
www.doc.state.ok.us/DOCS/OCJRC/Ocjrc96/Ocjrc7.htm. (1996).
13. If blacks committed 1.2 million violent crimes in 2002, and 70
percent of these were committed by 7 percent of the offenders, then 30
percent were committed by the remaining 93 percent of offenders. 30
percent of 1.2 million offenses is 360,000 offenses. 360,000
represents 93 percent of 387,000. If the remaining 70 percent of
offenses (840,000) were committed by 7 percent of the population, this
means that these crimes were committed by 27,000 hardcore offenders (7
percent of 387,000).
14. U.S. Department of Justice, 2004.
15. U.S Department of Justice, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Criminal
Victimization in the United States, various years, 1993-2004.
16. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration. 2003.
Results from the 2002 National Survey on Drug Use and Health. Office
of Applied Studies, Department of
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On Oct 26, 5:51 pm, Sydney Gondomer <muzi...@charter.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT), "Israel Did 9/11"
cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Black crime rates against White people are many times greater than
White crimes against Blacks. You wouldn’t know it by reading or
listening to America’s mass media. Saturation national and
international news coverage is given to the very few White cross-race
crimes against Blacks such as the James Byrd dragging case in Texas,
as well as the media-hyped Tawana Brawley case in New Jersey and the
alleged rape of a Black stripper by White lacrosse team members at
Duke University. Both of those latter cases, after months of front-
page, sensationalized coverage decrying “White racism,” turned out to
be complete hoaxes.
There is an incredible disproportionate rate of Black crimes against
Whites in contrast to White crimes against Blacks. Per capita Black
cross racial crimes of 50 or even 100 percent greater than Whites
would be bad enough, but the Black crime rates against Whites are
actually many times greater than White on Black crimes. Blacks are an
estimated 57 (that is 5,700 percent!) times more likely to commit
violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times (13,600
percent!) more likely to commit robbery. (see the color of crime
report published by the New Century Foundation – an analysis of crime
figures taken from official Justice Department crime reports)
http://www.nc-f.org/
Perhaps the most shocking of all the crime data dealing with cross-
race crime is the incredible rate of crime by Black males against
White women. According to U.S. Justice Department figures over 34,460
White women are sexually assaulted or raped by Black men each year,
and most authorities believe that the actual rape figures are at least
twice the reported number. In perhaps the most shocking crime figure
of all is the number of White rapes against Black women.
Statistically, it is 0! Because they have fewer than 10 cases
nationally.
http://www.newsnet14.com/2008/03/09/david-duke-the-racial-murder-and-...
The Color of Deception:
Race, Crime and Sloppy Social Science
By Tim Wise
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/colorofdeception.html
PhD Tim Wise The Wisest Caucasoid to ever walk the Earth.
http://tinyurl.com/6xkldh
Published on ZNet,www.zmag.org, 11/19/04. Note: This rebuttal refers
to the original Color of Crime Report by American Renaissance. A newer
version of the report was recently released, and as such, a newer
rebuttal will be forthcoming shortly, though the analysis herein is
still applicable.
"A lie can travel half-way around the world while the truth is still
pulling on its boots."
Although this truism was penned long before the Internet, there is
little doubt but that in the modern era, it has become more prescient
than its author could ever have imagined.
When it comes to fast-moving lies, few can top one that has been
distributed by white supremacists for the past several years. It is
probably the most popular piece of racist propaganda in existence
today, and because it relies on official government data, it comes
across as sober, intelligent social science, rather than as the
compendium of nonsense it happens to be.
The screed to which I refer is The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and
Violence in America, by white nationalist, Jared Taylor. Taylor is the
publisher of the racist magazine, American Renaissance, and host of an
annual conference, which attracts open neo-Nazis as well as a gaggle
of academicians who proclaim black genetic inferiority. According to
Taylor, there are several "facts" about crime that have been hidden
from view by the civil rights community. Among them:
-- Blacks are much more dangerous than whites as evidenced by higher
crime rates;
--Black criminals usually choose white victims and are far more likely
to victimize whites than whites are to victimize blacks (both for
regular violent crimes and hate crimes);
--Black crime rates justify racial profiling, since it only makes
sense to focus law enforcement attention on those who commit a
disproportionate share of crime; and finally,
--The interracial crime data makes white fear of African Americans
perfectly rational.
But a close examination of these arguments proves that Taylor and his
followers are either statistically illiterate, or knowingly deceive
for political effect.
First, as for the disproportionate rate of violent crime committed by
blacks, economic conditions explain the difference with white crime
rates.
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I don't care WHAT their reasons are. Because no matter how wrongly
oppressed you think you've been, or how poor you are or how ripped off
life has made you feel.... you have absolutely NO RIGHT to harm
another person. THAT is the law. And where there is law, there is
order. And where there is order, there is civilization. But with the
lack of law comes savagery, chaos and the loss of dignity and self-
respect, as well as the lack of respect from others. Martin Luther
King knew this. Why don't you....?
We have a place reserved in civilization for those who do not wish to
abide by its laws. Do you know what this place is....? It's called
JAIL. And that's why you see so many 'brothers' in places like jail.
Because for whatever reason, they have chosen to remove themselves
from civilization by visiting their hostilities out on others. They
have therefore forfeited any pity, help or understanding that they
might have otherwise been entitled to.
Besides... Forcible rape is NOT a crime of economics. It is a crime of
VIOLENCE. Violence against WOMAN, to be more damningly precise. What's
the trip there?
Blacks lead the way per 100,000 there too, baby. Way out in front.
Almost 4 to 1 over the white rate. And that's after throwing violent
Hispanics into our mix.
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Secondly, to claim that blacks are more dangerous than whites because
of official crime rates, is to ignore that when it comes to everyday
threats to personal well-being, whites far and away lead the pack in
all kinds of destructive behaviors: corporate pollution, consumer
fraud, violations of health and safety standards on the job, and
launching wars on the basis of deceptive evidence, to name a few. Each
year, far more people die because of corporate malfeasance,
occupational health violations and pollution than all the street crime
combined, let alone street crime committed by African Americans (2).
|
We are only concerned with violent crime. This is the type of problem
that the average white person faces every day. As far as your other
charges, whites also contribute to society. Which by far makes up for
any of their personal downfalls. Blacks contribute only a skyrocketing
violent illegitimate birth rate, murder and mayhem and excrement.
<snip the rest of your evil manipulative LIES>
THINK for once in your mindless life...
2006 black crime statistics, as complied by the FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
Blacks were charged with
51% of the murders,
33% of the rapes,
56% of the robberies,
35% of the aggravated assaults,
29% of the burglaries,
29% of the larcenies,
35% of the car thefts,
22% of the arsons,
32% of all other forms of assault,
28% of the forgeries,
30% of all fraud,
32% of all embezzlement,
34% of dealing in stolen property violations,
22% of all vandalism violations,
41% of the weapon possession violations,
40% of the prostitution violations,
25% of all other sexual offences,
35% of the drug abuse violations,
72% of the gambling violations,
35% of the disorderly conduct violations
and 42% of the vagrancy violations.
In total, blacks were charged with 39% of all violent crime and 29%
of
all property crime in the United States in 2006.
In the juvenile division, blacks were charged with
59% of the murders,
34% of the rapes,
67% of the robberies,
42% of the aggravated assaults,
32% of the burglaries,
30% of the larcenies and
43% of the car thefts,
39% of all other forms of assault,
24% of the forgeries,
34% of all fraud,
38% of all embezzlement,
42% of dealing in stolen property,
19% of all vandalism violations,
37% of all weapons carrying violations,
54% of the prostitution violations,
27% of other sexual offences,
30% of all drug abuse violations,
91% of the gambling violations,
23% of the crimes against family and children,
22% of the vagrancy violations
and 40% of the disorderly conduct violations.
Black juveniles committed 51% of all juvenile violent crime and 31%
of
all juvenile property crime.
In 2006, 27.6% of all adults arrested were black. Of all juveniles
(individuals under the age of 1 arrested in 2006 in the Nation,
30.3% were black.
The arrests of adults for murder were nearly equal between white and
black arrestees, with 50.0% being black, and 47.7 %being white.
And all of this coming from a ethnic group that comprises just barely
13% of the U.S. population. Think about it. Think...
Census data
Table 1. Summary of Modified Race and Census 2000 Race Distributions
for the United States
Subject Modified Race Census 2000
-------------------------------------Number--------------Percent
TOTAL POPULATION--------------------281,421,906----------100.00
White---------------------------------------------228,104,485------------81..05
Black or African American-----------------35,704,124------------12.69
Source: http://www.census.gov
And for the less intimidated...
More TRUTH BY NUMBERS.
Numbers never lie, asshole. Only those with a ax to grind or a neck to
protect have cause to do that. And you got BOTH motivations.
Total USA crime stats, per offender, per race, as complied by the FBI
2006
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
2005
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_43.html
2004
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/persons_arrested/table_38-43.html
2003
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/pdf/03sec4.pdf
2002
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/pdf/02crime4.pdf |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: OT Black On White Rape Rates In The U.S On Par With That |
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On Oct 27, 11:28 pm, The Nice Mean Man <hitherand...@aol.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 26, 5:51 pm, Sydney Gondomer <muzi...@charter.net> wrote:
On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:12:17 -0700 (PDT), "Israel Did 9/11"
cccccdfgdfgdg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
Black crime rates against White people are many times greater than
White crimes against Blacks. You wouldn’t know it by reading or
listening to America’s mass media. Saturation national and
international news coverage is given to the very few White cross-race
crimes against Blacks such as the James Byrd dragging case in Texas,
as well as the media-hyped Tawana Brawley case in New Jersey and the
alleged rape of a Black stripper by White lacrosse team members at
Duke University. Both of those latter cases, after months of front-
page, sensationalized coverage decrying “White racism,” turned out to
be complete hoaxes.
There is an incredible disproportionate rate of Black crimes against
Whites in contrast to White crimes against Blacks. Per capita Black
cross racial crimes of 50 or even 100 percent greater than Whites
would be bad enough, but the Black crime rates against Whites are
actually many times greater than White on Black crimes. Blacks are an
estimated 57 (that is 5,700 percent!) times more likely to commit
violent crime against a white than vice versa, and 136 times (13,600
percent!) more likely to commit robbery. (see the color of crime
report published by the New Century Foundation – an analysis of crime
figures taken from official Justice Department crime reports)
http://www.nc-f.org/
Perhaps the most shocking of all the crime data dealing with cross-
race crime is the incredible rate of crime by Black males against
White women. According to U.S. Justice Department figures over 34,460
White women are sexually assaulted or raped by Black men each year,
and most authorities believe that the actual rape figures are at least
twice the reported number. In perhaps the most shocking crime figure
of all is the number of White rapes against Black women.
Statistically, it is 0! Because they have fewer than 10 cases
nationally.
http://www.newsnet14.com/2008/03/09/david-duke-the-racial-murder-and-....
The Color of Deception:
Race, Crime and Sloppy Social Science
By Tim Wise
http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/colorofdeception.html
PhD Tim Wise The Wisest Caucasoid to ever walk the Earth.
http://tinyurl.com/6xkldh
Published on ZNet,www.zmag.org, 11/19/04. Note: This rebuttal refers
to the original Color of Crime Report by American Renaissance. A newer
version of the report was recently released, and as such, a newer
rebuttal will be forthcoming shortly, though the analysis herein is
still applicable.
"A lie can travel half-way around the world while the truth is still
pulling on its boots."
Although this truism was penned long before the Internet, there is
little doubt but that in the modern era, it has become more prescient
than its author could ever have imagined.
When it comes to fast-moving lies, few can top one that has been
distributed by white supremacists for the past several years. It is
probably the most popular piece of racist propaganda in existence
today, and because it relies on official government data, it comes
across as sober, intelligent social science, rather than as the
compendium of nonsense it happens to be.
The screed to which I refer is The Color of Crime: Race, Crime and
Violence in America, by white nationalist, Jared Taylor. Taylor is the
publisher of the racist magazine, American Renaissance, and host of an
annual conference, which attracts open neo-Nazis as well as a gaggle
of academicians who proclaim black genetic inferiority. According to
Taylor, there are several "facts" about crime that have been hidden
from view by the civil rights community. Among them:
-- Blacks are much more dangerous than whites as evidenced by higher
crime rates;
--Black criminals usually choose white victims and are far more likely
to victimize whites than whites are to victimize blacks (both for
regular violent crimes and hate crimes);
--Black crime rates justify racial profiling, since it only makes
sense to focus law enforcement attention on those who commit a
disproportionate share of crime; and finally,
--The interracial crime data makes white fear of African Americans
perfectly rational.
But a close examination of these arguments proves that Taylor and his
followers are either statistically illiterate, or knowingly deceive
for political effect.
First, as for the disproportionate rate of violent crime committed by
blacks, economic conditions explain the difference with white crime
rates.
I don't care WHAT their reasons are. Because no matter how wrongly
oppressed you think you've been, or how poor you are or how ripped off
life has made you feel.... you have absolutely NO RIGHT to harm
another person. THAT is the law. And where there is law, there is
order. And where there is order, there is civilization. But with the
lack of law comes savagery, chaos and the loss of dignity and self-
respect, as well as the lack of respect from others. Martin Luther
King knew this. Why don't you....?
We have a place reserved in civilization for those who do not wish to
abide by its laws. Do you know what this place is....? It's called
JAIL. And that's why you see so many 'brothers' in places like jail.
Because for whatever reason, they have chosen to remove themselves
from civilization by visiting their hostilities out on others. They
have therefore forfeited any pity, help or understanding that they
might have otherwise been entitled to.
Besides... Forcible rape is NOT a crime of economics. It is a crime of
VIOLENCE. Violence against WOMEN, to be more damningly precise. What's
the trip there?
Blacks lead the way per 100,000 there too, baby. Way out in front.
Almost 4 to 1 over the white rate. And that's after throwing violent
Hispanics into our mix.
Secondly, to claim that blacks are more dangerous than whites because
of official crime rates, is to ignore that when it comes to everyday
threats to personal well-being, whites far and away lead the pack in
all kinds of destructive behaviors: corporate pollution, consumer
fraud, violations of health and safety standards on the job, and
launching wars on the basis of deceptive evidence, to name a few. Each
year, far more people die because of corporate malfeasance,
occupational health violations and pollution than all the street crime
combined, let alone street crime committed by African Americans (2).
We are only concerned with violent crime. This is the type of problem
that the average white person faces every day. As far as your other
charges, whites also contribute to society. Which by far makes up for
any of their personal downfalls. Blacks contribute only a skyrocketing
violent illegitimate birth rate, murder and mayhem and excrement.
snip the rest of your evil manipulative LIES
THINK for once in your mindless life...
2006 black crime statistics, as complied by the FBIhttp://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
Blacks were charged with
51% of the murders,
33% of the rapes,
56% of the robberies,
35% of the aggravated assaults,
29% of the burglaries,
29% of the larcenies,
35% of the car thefts,
22% of the arsons,
32% of all other forms of assault,
28% of the forgeries,
30% of all fraud,
32% of all embezzlement,
34% of dealing in stolen property violations,
22% of all vandalism violations,
41% of the weapon possession violations,
40% of the prostitution violations,
25% of all other sexual offences,
35% of the drug abuse violations,
72% of the gambling violations,
35% of the disorderly conduct violations
and 42% of the vagrancy violations.
In total, blacks were charged with 39% of all violent crime and 29%
of
all property crime in the United States in 2006.
In the juvenile division, blacks were charged with
59% of the murders,
34% of the rapes,
67% of the robberies,
42% of the aggravated assaults,
32% of the burglaries,
30% of the larcenies and
43% of the car thefts,
39% of all other forms of assault,
24% of the forgeries,
34% of all fraud,
38% of all embezzlement,
42% of dealing in stolen property,
19% of all vandalism violations,
37% of all weapons carrying violations,
54% of the prostitution violations,
27% of other sexual offences,
30% of all drug abuse violations,
91% of the gambling violations,
23% of the crimes against family and children,
22% of the vagrancy violations
and 40% of the disorderly conduct violations.
Black juveniles committed 51% of all juvenile violent crime and 31%
of
all juvenile property crime.
In 2006, 27.6% of all adults arrested were black. Of all juveniles
(individuals under the age of 1 arrested in 2006 in the Nation,
30.3% were black.
The arrests of adults for murder were nearly equal between white and
black arrestees, with 50.0% being black, and 47.7 %being white.
And all of this coming from a ethnic group that comprises just barely
13% of the U.S. population. Think about it. Think...
Census data
Table 1. Summary of Modified Race and Census 2000 Race Distributions
for the United States
Subject Modified Race Census 2000
-------------------------------------Number--------------Percent
TOTAL POPULATION--------------------281,421,906----------100.00
White---------------------------------------------228,104,485------------81.05
Black or African American-----------------35,704,124------------12.69
Source:http://www.census.gov
And for the less intimidated...
More TRUTH BY NUMBERS.
Numbers never lie, asshole. Only those with a ax to grind or a neck to
protect have cause to do that. And you got BOTH motivations.
Total USA crime stats, per offender, per race, as complied by the FBI
2006
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html
2005 ...
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