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 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to Hatunen
| Quote: | The problem is arguing with someone who frankly has never been there.
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Horne cant tell the difference between discussing a video and
his arse (why he used "frankly" I have no idea) Actually he can but he
hates me because I questioned his warped view of reality. If he wants to
killfile me he should stop sniping at my posts from the sidelines and just
**** off.
| Quote: | A very good point. It's kind of like being at the Grand Canyon
rather than looking at a photo. In a photo it could be any canyon
(there is a canyon, the Grand Canyon of the Salt River, on US-60
northeast of Phoenix that is quite awesome [1], and an indivdual
photo looks a lot like it could be THE Grand Canyon, but, awesome
as Salt River Canyon is, in person it is a piker compared to the
Grand Canyon)
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I have a pretty good idea that the grand canyon (and everest) are
impressive from photos. Most things are a level up in reality from photos,
thats why people go rather than looking at photos!
I have maples (acer palmatum atroperpuruem dissectium and others) in my
back garden so I know about autumn colour. They colour here to the luminous
flame red you mentioned about half the autumns. I can imagine a hill
covered in them quite easily. Better than that video.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to M............
| Quote: | I have maples (acer palmatum atroperpuruem dissectium and others) in my
back garden so I know about autumn colour. They colour here to the luminous
flame red you mentioned about half the autumns. I can imagine a hill
covered in them quite easily. Better than that video.
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I had another look, is this a better representation?
"http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/Rarly/FallColors.jpg"
"http://blogs.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/102706_fallcolors2.jpg"
the above two shots look much like walking through Sheffield Park here in a
good year (about the best for autumn colour in UK I know of) but as you say
on a grand scale.
i am searching on "fall color" ("autumn colour" was a failure  ) this was
OK:-
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W32NMqqfcy4"
I havent found anywhere that all red maples so far
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:12:22 +0000, M............ wrote in post :
<news:1a9684jyaesbs$.58ism3nsdvcu$.dlg@40tude.net> :
| Quote: | Following up to M............
I have maples (acer palmatum atroperpuruem dissectium and others) in my
back garden so I know about autumn colour. They colour here to the luminous
flame red you mentioned about half the autumns. I can imagine a hill
covered in them quite easily. Better than that video.
I had another look, is this a better representation?
"http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f137/Rarly/FallColors.jpg"
"http://blogs.trb.com/news/weather/weblog/wgnweather/102706_fallcolors2.jpg"
the above two shots look much like walking through Sheffield Park here in a
good year (about the best for autumn colour in UK I know of) but as you say
on a grand scale.
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To me, the first one has an orange cast, making the greens of the pine
trees look muddy, but increasing the reds of the deciduous trees. The
second has a magenta/red graduation to it, making the red leaved at the top
appear more intense compared with the unfiltered (other than a polariser?)
colours at the bottom of the photo. Nice photos though.
A friend of mine went to Vermont in the autumn, he was impressed anyway. I
think because you can drive for hours through these colours with hardly a
break, whereas in the UK the colours exist, but tend to be limited to the
relatively small patches of gardens, riverbanks and parks. With the
possible exception of the New Forest and the Forest of Dean these huge
expanses of woodland are rare in the UK.
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M............
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to Tim C.
| Quote: | To me, the first one has an orange cast, making the greens of the pine
trees look muddy, but increasing the reds of the deciduous trees. The
second has a magenta/red graduation to it, making the red leaved at the top
appear more intense compared with the unfiltered (other than a polariser?)
colours at the bottom of the photo. Nice photos though.
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looks like photoshop work. The first looks like the saturation slider was
wacked right up, the latter has a soft light overlay with a red to
transparent gradient.
Its frightening how much you can change, ive seen a demo of a fat oldish
woman transformed into model looks before my eyes in about 5 minutes. That
takes an expert though.
| Quote: | A friend of mine went to Vermont in the autumn, he was impressed anyway. I
think because you can drive for hours through these colours with hardly a
break, whereas in the UK the colours exist,
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I think this is the point, Ive yet to find a photo that shows anything you
dont get here in UK, (the shots above all remind me of Sheffield Park) but
probably in bigger quantities. Ive seen fantastic photos of Japan in Autumn
BTW. Lots of acers and cherries there.
| Quote: | but tend to be limited to the
relatively small patches of gardens, riverbanks and parks. With the
possible exception of the New Forest and the Forest of Dean these huge
expanses of woodland are rare in the UK.
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huge expanses of most things are rare on a island archipelego! Theres
probably enough woodland in Wales to get the effect, but you do need the
reds, most of our *native* trees are yellows.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to M............
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probably enough woodland in Wales to get the effect, but you do need the
reds, most of our *native* trees are yellows.
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but winter is coming now! I drove up to Gran Sasso on Monday:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/IMGP2697.htm"
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to M............
| Quote: | but winter is coming now! I drove up to Gran Sasso on Monday:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/IMGP2697.htm"
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heres how to photograph a maple in Oregon
"http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=2252151"
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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| Quote: | heres how to photograph a maple in Oregon
"http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=2252151"
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they are coming in thick and fast on photosig now, cant think why?
"http://www.photosig.com/go/photos/view?id=1861338"
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Jesper Lauridsen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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On 2008-11-19, M............ <mmmmmmtheobvious@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
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but winter is coming now! I drove up to Gran Sasso on Monday:-
"http://www.lawn-mower-man.co.uk/IMGP2697.htm"
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Hatunen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:57:07 +0000, "M............"
<mmmmmmtheobvious@freedomnames.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Following up to Hatunen
A very good point. It's kind of like being at the Grand Canyon
rather than looking at a photo. In a photo it could be any canyon
(there is a canyon, the Grand Canyon of the Salt River, on US-60
northeast of Phoenix that is quite awesome [1], and an indivdual
photo looks a lot like it could be THE Grand Canyon, but, awesome
as Salt River Canyon is, in person it is a piker compared to the
Grand Canyon)
I have a pretty good idea that the grand canyon (and everest) are
impressive from photos. Most things are a level up in reality from photos,
thats why people go rather than looking at photos!
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One of the odder things about the Grand Canyon is the lack of
perspective. The first time I ever went there in the 1960s I
stood on the south rim and looked out, but the canyon is so wide
that your stereo vision fails to reveal relative visual depth on
the other side so that the other side looks like a vast painted
canvas stretching from left horizon to right horizon. Similarly
for the depth. I looked down and way below me saw a little
metallic glint and suddenly ralized I was looking at sunlight
reflecting off an airplane about a half mile below me.
| Quote: | I have maples (acer palmatum atroperpuruem dissectium and others) in my
back garden so I know about autumn colour. They colour here to the luminous
flame red you mentioned about half the autumns. I can imagine a hill
covered in them quite easily. Better than that video.
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Imagine high hills in panorama all the way across your field of
vision covered with red maples mixed in with yellow maples and
interspersed olive drabs and browns from other trees for texture
and you get some idea of what a good autumn in Vermont is like.
It's not just the color, it's the visual texture.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to Hatunen
| Quote: | One of the odder things about the Grand Canyon is the lack of
perspective. The first time I ever went there in the 1960s I
stood on the south rim and looked out, but the canyon is so wide
that your stereo vision fails to reveal relative visual depth on
the other side so that the other side looks like a vast painted
canvas stretching from left horizon to right horizon. Similarly
for the depth. I looked down and way below me saw a little
metallic glint and suddenly ralized I was looking at sunlight
reflecting off an airplane about a half mile below me.
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If I could afford bizz class thats the area of US I would go to, Colorado
River, Monument valley etc etc. We just had a series with Stephen Fry
driving a London cab through the US, that was far and away the area that
attracted me although many of the national parks look very good.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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| Quote: | Following up to Hatunen
One of the odder things about the Grand Canyon is the lack of
perspective. The first time I ever went there in the 1960s I
stood on the south rim and looked out, but the canyon is so wide
that your stereo vision fails to reveal relative visual depth on
the other side so that the other side looks like a vast painted
canvas stretching from left horizon to right horizon. Similarly
for the depth. I looked down and way below me saw a little
metallic glint and suddenly ralized I was looking at sunlight
reflecting off an airplane about a half mile below me.
If I could afford bizz class thats the area of US I would go to, Colorado
River, Monument valley etc etc. We just had a series with Stephen Fry
driving a London cab through the US, that was far and away the area that
attracted me although many of the national parks look very good.
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Northern Arizona/Southern Utah has an awesome amount of
impressive scenery. The Grand Canyon is simply so huge it
overwhelms the publicity for the area.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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Following up to Hatunen
| Quote: | Northern Arizona/Southern Utah has an awesome amount of
impressive scenery. The Grand Canyon is simply so huge it
overwhelms the publicity for the area.
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the stephen fry programme went to some amazing spot nobody seems to visit.
Thats what I would want to do, ive heard too much about honey pot spots
with dozens of photographers in places 100 metres from the road. You see
the same shots pop up over and over. I like to find a spot and explore it
over time and season so SW USA isnt really a starter! Although when we are
both free of work we are thinking of a boat trip from UK to patagonia and
the antarctic.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:52 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:14:57 +0000, "M............"
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| Quote: | Following up to Hatunen
Northern Arizona/Southern Utah has an awesome amount of
impressive scenery. The Grand Canyon is simply so huge it
overwhelms the publicity for the area.
the stephen fry programme went to some amazing spot nobody seems to visit.
Thats what I would want to do, ive heard too much about honey pot spots
with dozens of photographers in places 100 metres from the road. You see
the same shots pop up over and over. I like to find a spot and explore it
over time and season so SW USA isnt really a starter! Although when we are
both free of work we are thinking of a boat trip from UK to patagonia and
the antarctic.
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There are quite a few places in Norhtern Arizona that aren't
alive with photographers.
You might find the 360-degree panoramas at
http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/Arizona.html
interesting.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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| Quote: | There are quite a few places in Norhtern Arizona that aren't
alive with photographers.
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normally anywhere a few miles from a road is quiet!
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Where to go to see the leaves? |
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:25:55 +0000, "M............"
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There are quite a few places in Norhtern Arizona that aren't
alive with photographers.
normally anywhere a few miles from a road is quiet!
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One thing we have in Arizona is miles and miles away from roads.
Especially paved roads. Bombing down dirt roads isn't always for
the faint of heart, though.
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